To still be annoyed that Hermione married Ron?

[ThomasRichard]

I know, the last book came out years ago, but I’m re-reading them now with DS and it’s got me annoyed all over again. He’s a mediocre, sulky man-child, while she’s a brilliantly talented witch. Why would she ever marry him?!

Who would Fred and George have hand-me-downs from?

BitOfFun Charlie. They were described as being similar in build and height to Charlie. Bill, Percy and Ron were tall and thin, and Charlie, Fred and George were shorter and stockier.

I bow to your superior knowledge- I've only been a one-time reader, and haven't seen all the films either.

TheHulksPurplePanties

I disagree. Snape is a nasty man, made nasty by his reaction to his experiences when younger. I don't think he's praising Draco's potion as some sort of deception: it's because he intensely dislikes Harry and praises Draco to get at him. His sneaky, devious, malign streak leads him to admire the same qualities in Draco and the other Slytherins.

Snape's bravery in the later books is entirely consistent with this. He blends in well with the Death Eaters because he's like them. Unlike them, he does what's right when it matters.

JKR had to kill Snape off. There would have been no future for him after the Second Wizarding War. The only (few) people he had any liking for were all dead. He'd probably have become a serial killer or something.

I really, really don't understand why Alan Rickman's portrayal of Snape is sexy. He comes across as an unpleasant, controlling, bullying, moody old man, who is probably an utter emotional drain in a relationship. He probably has BO too. But then I suppose Bellatrix is thought to be...

TomPinch Obviously, like any fictional character, how people perceive them is based on their own personalities and personal experiences. I find that fans that have been bullied themselves, or who have had a few heartbreaks, are more inclined to view him as a sympathetic character. As someone who grew up around athletes who were given "easy rides" I see how this screwed them over in later life.

Snape is an anti-hero, he's Dostoevsky's Underground Man, he's Sydney Carton, he's Becky Sharp, he's Heathcliff. Which means simply boiling him down to being "a nasty man" is overly simplistic, because that's just one facet of his character. He's a three dimensional character, just like the ones I mentioned.

End of the day, he's a solider and a spy, not a teacher, the teacher aspect is a cover, and I think his character is consistent with this. There's a reason spies are both revered and reviled in real life.

I always thought that Harry and Hermione would get married. They seemed soulmates to me.

@TomPinch Bellatrix is thought to be what?

Hot.

Why shouldn’t a talented woman go for someone less talented that she finds attractive and gets on with?!

It’s only because of centuries of misogyny that women get they needed to improve their ‘status’ and prospects by marrying ‘up’. Hermione marries the guy she fancies, who she has had a thing for for years, and who is a proven food and decent person. Why would she want to wait for someone ‘successful’ - she ends up minister for magic!!!

Fucking Patriarchy

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It’s only because of centuries of misogyny that women get they needed to improve their ‘status’ and prospects by marrying ‘up’. Hermione marries the guy she fancies, who she has had a thing for for years, and who is a proven food and decent person. Why would she want to wait for someone ‘successful’ - she ends up minister for magic!!!

I don't think she needs someone successful, but I do think she'd be happier with a man who challenges her, not just frustrates her.

Challenges her in what way?!
Set some her homework every evening? Uses big words that she doesn’t understand?
Is her ‘superior’ that she needs to try and match?

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There was a post upthread which suggested Ron would have been happier with a sah wife, producing the next gen of mid achieving Weasleys.
I know this is a light thread but sah does not imply intellectual inferiority to the woh partner, or lack of ambition.

Also, the Weasley kids were not mid achievers - the older two were in the ministry and working abroad with emdangered animals. The twins set up their own business before they left school. Ron helped to save the world. And they did this from a poor economic background. No reason to assume his kids would be inferior.

I think Ron and Hermione were suited - shared experience is bonding. I can see why Harry ended up with Ginny - safe and reliable. Think Luna and Harry would be great though.

Picking up on what someone else said (sorry can’t remember who!) Ginny being “in love” with Harry before she even met him is exactly why I don’t think they would work. She has a crush on someone she knows nothing about. Reality would never live up to that and Harry was quite a damaged character. I also found Ginny in the books verging on bullying with Ron and Fleur.

Ginunicorn - yeah, but she’s like 14? We’re you an absolute angel who never said anything negative about anyone at 14?!

No definitely not but there was a real touch of cruelty to her I really disliked.

I also at 14 didn’t date someone I’d hero worshipped since I was 9 then marry them.

As a character I liked her until the forced pairing it just rang untrue. Suddenly she was beautiful, good at everything, funny popular. The other characters were flawed and much better for it.

Also the earlier comparison to Harry’s mother now makes their pairing seem even creepier to me!

Challenges her in what way?!

Intellectually maybe? You know, someone she can talk about her job to and he might actually understand it and its nuances. Supports her endeavors (like SPEW), rather than scoffing at it behind her back.

I always thought if she had to marry a weasley fred would have been ideal. He can definately match her in terms of smarts but so provide her with fun and not being so serious. It was always in the books, although she didnt approve she was impressed with them. But then... fred :'(

I haven't read the whole 12 pages of the thread, but (*whispers) you do know it's not real, right?

The wizarding world seems to have a different attitude to sex/relationships than the muggle world
One area that is not touched at all in the saga is infidelity / affairs. Even Mrs Zabini is a serial monogamist / black widow. Are marital vows Unbreakable?

I haven't read the whole 12 pages of the thread, but (whispers) you do know it's not real, right?*

Fuck me! Is it really? I suppose that explains why I never got my Ilvermorny letter....

Tompinch - yes, there is an enchantment that turns the stairs to the girls’ chambers into a slide if the boys try it, but the same isn’t true the other way around. I think Hermione says something about girls being more trustworthy.

I loved Alan Rickman; he was supremely talented. But I don’t see snape as sexy in book or film! However, lots of people do. I saw a link somewhere once (might have been on here) to a website that was full of love for snape, and it said something like: “oooh Professor Snape, our insolence must be punished!” underneath lots of stills from the films. My face was a perfect

One area that is not touched at all in the saga is infidelity / affairs.

I don't think divorce comes up either. It certainly seems to be a culture where you only get one shot at love and if you miss it you're screwed.

Snape humiliated people. I know his history was tragic, but he was actively cruel sometimes. I'm not sure who would have been a good match for him.

Erm, some people are masochists.

And I think Hermione is one. (Ducks).

Harry marrying Ginny annoys me more than Hermione and Ron - completely unrealistic - Ginny has no personality. He must have been desperate for one!

I don't think it was the right match either. Better off doing what most people do and find someone they didn't go to school with.