To think the deliberate targeting of disabled people is idealogical and reminiscent of the 3rd reich?

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Friends and I were discussing the current government's treatment of the disabled and I heard ANOTHER harrowing story. Her friends has multiple disabilities, cannot walk and relies on painkillers to make life tolerable. After her last assessment this woman was deemed fit to work and was told by a non medical professional (AKA administrator) that she didn't need medication. Her financial support was removed and now she has nothing whilst she stages an appeal.

The trouble is the government has scrapped a scheme which got disabled people into work. My good friend's sister has quite severe learning disabilities but was very happy in her job in a café until the government scrapped the scheme. Another thing we can thank Cameron for. She was devastated and wanted to work as it gave her self esteem.

So we have double standards here. We are being told to get jobs or loose benefits yet jobs are being cut.

AIBU to feel that humanity has learned nothing from history lessons at school and during a financial crisis we are keen to scapegoat others (disabled, jews etc.) Seems like most people don't want to help others as 'they work hard and why should they pay taxes?'

Someone will probably come along to say that Corbyn is an anti semite but the Nazis were anti disabled and wanted to squeeze them out of existence. So are the Tories. Is this an example of political gaslighting , cognitive dissonance or projection I wonder?

Yes Bishop that sprang to mind for me also

Some who thinks THE DISABLED aren't being scapegoated likely has zero idea of what being disabled is like on a daily basis

I always regret posting on disability threads as they always bring out the ignorant and the "As long as I'm alright Jack" types and players of Disability Top Trumps

Oh and can someone also tell me why my husband who is a carer (legally registered as such and receiving carers allowance) for me and the kids keeps being pulled in for work focused interviews if this isn't ideological?

Yawn. They all say that. You don't know my experience mih mih miiiiiiiih.

Don't care. I'm calling out on offensive terminology.

How out of place would this poster really be today ?

So I'm ignorant and an I'm all right Jack type am I? You can tell all this because I used the work 'the'. give me strength.

I can’t believe I’m about to enter an argument about Nazis on the internet but here we go:

The Nazis never did anything illegal. Absolutely everything that was done under their regime was entirely legal under the law at the time. They wrote the laws that suited their ideology, almost all of Hitlers henchmen were lawyers. It is for this reason there is a Higher authority than national government regarding Human Rights. It is impossible to right a law that breaks human morality ... if you’re a member of the European Union and therefore the European Human Rights Act is enshrined in law. So while we live in the European Union we are protected from laws that are morally corrupt.

So give me my prise, Nazis and Brexit. I should probably unplug the router now.

"Well the Nazi's didn't go straight in with the death camps did they. The financial and political climate at the time led to certain groups being scapegoated and it snowballed from there. "

Exactly right. It's dangerous to just look at the final extreme situation and say "well we aren't THERE so its all fine."
The Nazi persecution of Jews all started with anti-Semitic propaganda - that they were lazy and greedy and stealing the hard-work of good Germans while avoiding doing any themselves. Who does that sound like?

Poor and disabled and unemployed people have all been victimised massively in the last 10 years in this country - shows like "Benefits Street" have all added noise to the constant message that people are lazy, they're "scrounging benefits", they're just not TRYING and at the same time as being starved through not having enough to eat and needing to depend on food banks, the NHS has been starved to the point it was a "humanitarian crisis" not so long ago.

How much longer before the NHS "simply cant afford" to do some of the things that afford people with disabilities any kind of quality of life? They are already marking and even withdrawing some knee and hip operations that are crucial to people having any real mobility as "elective". Its all a case of little-by-little, a cut here, a withdrawing of something there, and slowly we drift towards where we couldn't even have imagined 30 or 40 years ago.

Nope. No comparison whatsoever to the Third Reich and it makes you look ignorant to suggest there is.

The Third Reich did not give out disability benefit in the first place to remove.

Until the Tories start systematically rounding up disabled people, doing experiments on them and then gassing them to death in concentration camps after a massive campaign of persecution and pogroms, YABVU!

Of course yes because it has to get as far as the final solution to be taken seriously. Doesn't matter how many deaths there are in the meantime.

It is unfortunate, but the ignorance really does lie with those who dismiss the current ideology as not happening because it hasn't gone as far as the basics you were taught in a classroom. You really do, as many have pointed out, mother, double et al need to look at the bigger picture. Start from the beginning, because at the moment you are starting from the end and not looking at the whole.

I don’t like the 3rd Reich comparison because it’s such an emotive subject and it misses the many other totalitarian regimes and genocide that has gone on in other parts of the world.

BUT under the Nazis, employed increased and people got holidays for the first time, and there was national pride about having a closed economy - that is e belief that they Germany could rely on Germany and didn’t need to influence or input from the rest of Europe. They also stopped paying reparations because why should they send their hard earned money to the rest of Europe when it could be better spent on Germans.

We are not on that slippery slope but you can draw comparisons. Saying no because you can’t compare anyone to a Nazi is lazy.

Why dont people actually research how the nazi's esculated rather then simply saying comparing now and then is completely wrong.

There is a propagana campaign of idologoy sponsered spin that disabled people ARE a drain on society and you have to be very very dim not too see it or lack empathy.

Under the Tories homelessness has skyrocketed 10 years ago there was the odd homeless person now i there are tons you would be hard pressed to go onto any city street (excluding the super rich areas which move homeless people on) without seeing atleast 1 homeless person.

5th richest country in the world NEEDS FOOD BANKS to feed its people the 5TH RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD resorting to charities to feed people.

The TV is consistently going on and on about disabled people being scroungers and benefit fraud begin high (less then 1% of claims are fraudulent)

Hate crime against DISABLED people is at a all time high (just like the propaganda in the beginning about the Jews caused increased hate crime)

But people living in lala land that the current climate of austerity is anything but ideology nonsense the UK deceit has gone UP massively under the Tories. Germany has not gone into austerity measures yet they are doing massively better then us. Scandinavian countries invest their way out of crisis rather then cutting ALL services to the bone (in some cases removing the limb as well as in the fire service)

The Conservatives' ideology is dog-eat-dog, everyone for themselves, minimal government and hard luck to the masses who don't make loads of money, get ill, become disabled, unemployed etc. It's a scary time for disabled people. We have the knowledge hanging over us that we will be reassessed for ESA and/or PIP at some point soon and the stress is awful, on top of the pain, misery, isolation, humiliation....I could go on.

The government are helped in their crusade by filthy rags like the Daily Mail, too, even more so its website. This paper loves to print stories about benefit fraud, something which is a tiny percentage of the benefits bill. They make out like cheating is rampant and it's just not true. Their stories are inconsistent and misleading.

I do sometimes wonder if the application forms are part of the problem. They are confusing and incredibly long. I think there should be easy access to help with filling in these forms; when you're suffering the side effects of medication, eg cognitive problems, confusion, it can be very difficult to express the difficulties encountered, the same for mental health issues and many other disabilities.

StormTreader it has already started.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-45472315

FYI I apologise for my own reference to 'the disabled' earlier. I feel so passionately about disability rights (as a woman with disabilities myself) and in my rush to post didn't pause to think I might upset someone with my careless use of terminology. Language is very important, because it shapes the narratives of the world we live in - and it's important to challenge and unpack terms used thoughtlessly.

This thread is the equivalent of claiming that UK Workfare is the same as slavery. Fucking ridiculous and offensive hyperbole. Yes, the benefits system is shit and could be better, but at least we have a benefits system and to add, if nuLabour hadn't made the cost of living in this country so ridiculously expensive by making housing and transport unaffordable and hadn't bailed out the banks, perhaps there would be more money for the genuinely disabled.

Fucking ridiculous and offensive hyperbole.
Yes, the contributions from sen and you are exactly that. A total denial and attempts to shut down based not on fact but on Benthamite policies and nonsense.

Gilead - can you point me in the direction of the ghettos, the concentration camps, gas chambers and suicide squads, the rounding up of disabled people to be euthanised and gassed, the experiments being performed on them, the smashing up of their shops and them being forced to wear badges that show them as disabled?

You are talking shite and you know it!

Try this as your starting point mother

She's not talking shite - we are not there yet, and I hope we never do get there, but as a number of people have said on this thread, this is how it starts. Treating certain groups as 'other' and less worthy, getting away with that, so tightening rules against them, or extending the category of 'others'.

Since you are talking of smashing up shops Kristallnacht didn't happen until 1938, a full five years after Hitler had got elected.

This is pointless. No one is comparing the benefits system with the concentration camps. But they are comparing the hate towards disabled people,the complete disregard for them,the derision,the promoted division between us and them and the hardship,suffering and even deaths of disabled people with what happened before the concentration camps became "norm". There are similarities in attitude,rhetoric and behaviour.

Ofc some posters refuse to acknowledge that so jump straight to "no one's being gassed ". Indeed no one is...doesn't mean it's not shit and that there is a systematic erasure of disabled people's rights,the effects of their disability and sometimes even of the people themselves.

It's not rocket science.

Some of the contributors to this thread are literally on another planet...

Ok, to the people laughing about how ridiculous we're all being, here's an analogy for you to think about.

Nazi Germany was a crashed car by the side of the road - on fire, emergency vehicles, the whole deal in terms of how terrible it was.
We are currently a car driving past that wreck with 2 orange warning lights on the dash that we're ignoring.
Do they mean we're going to end up in a fiery mess? No, not for sure. But its how it STARTS. And ignoring the lights forever on the basis that the car still mostly works is a plan that may have consequences later.

They are the ones you should be blaming for keeping benefits away from the genuinely disabled.

The thing is, fraudulent claims by the governments own statistics are so small as to be ignored.

Remember Theresa May pledged 10 billion to the DUP to prop up her shitty government.