To think they should never have been allowed more children ?

[JellieEllie]

This couple have lost 3 children to death in a period of 16 months.
The father has now separated from the children's mother and has gone on to have a further child with his new partner.

Why oh why are these types of irresponsible parents allowed to keep on breeding?
Should laws be put in place where parents who are the direct cause of a child's death be forcibly sterilised to prevent further incidents in the future ?

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/parents-whose-baby-died-boozed-13209349

My sisters neighbour has had 5 kids and all removed at birth, I dont know why she does it to herself tbh

I don't think it's as clear cut as that. It depends on how the other children died and other factors. And if you start sterilising people, you're infringing on their human rights and where do you draw the line with other similar people?
I do agree they are neglectful and shouldn't have more kids, but don't think sterilising them is the answer. Maybe encouraged, but not forced.

That is a terribly sad story. I would imagine social services will be keeping a close eye on the family

@Chocolatecoffeeaddict sorry I didn't make that clear in my first post. I meant if causes of death have been found to be as a result of abuse or neglect by the parents (which in this case 2 of them have.) The 3rd was due to being born premature.
So the parents have been found at fault in 2 of these cases yet no precautions were put in place to prevent them having further children.

@Creeper8 it's awful isn't it. Someone I'm related to has had all 3 of her children removed at birth. The ss and courts have advised that they want a contraceptive implant in place for her which so far has worked and prevented her having more children.

You can't forcibly sterilise someone.

However, I would offer them early release from prison if they did agree to it.

That's very sad.
I remember when my son was born at low birth weight we were warned not to allow him to spend too long in a car seat.
It won't harm a normal sized baby but very little ones can flop down into a position where the lungs don't fill properly with air.
I guess that's what happened here.
Its a shame the article waffled on about this couples drinking and unemployment instead of doing some good by clearly explaining the dangers of car seats to premature babies.

The article is very unclear - have they lost two babies through leaving them in car seats?

I don't understand how it wasn't partly their fault? They left the baby unsupervised in a car seat to sleep. All the car seat guidance says to only leave them for short periods and not unattended. They were downstairs in the hotel getting drunk 3 floors away. The law says there is no age you can't leave a child unsupervised as long as they thrive. This poor baby did not thrive so why can't they be prosecuted?

There is another thread about this and no, it’s absolutely nowhere near as simple as you suggest
The 3 children died from natural causes anyway

I used to work in the social care sector. I spoke with a social worker once about women who repeatedly had babies taken from them at birth.

He was told by a service user: "I'm just going to keep having them until you let me keep one". I think she'd just had baby number 7 removed.

How do you “not allow” someone to “keep breeding”?

Their twins were born premature and had lots of health issues as a result. They didn’t kill them!! Get your facts straight.

There was another thread on here about this terribly sad case and iirc the deaths of the previous two children were not as straightforward, and there were suggestions that the mum's turn to alcohol was at least partly due to these deaths. (Sorry to be vague - that's what I recall and I now can't find the link.)

So it's complicated really. I agree there are some people who are in such woeful / difficult circs that for their own sake they need a long enforced (if need be) break from pregnancy, birth and childcare. But it is such a fundamental right that interference by the state requires many many checks and restraints.

You need to read the serious case review before commenting tbh. I have read it and the parents werent directly responsible . They werent the best parents by a long stretch but the car seats were not the issue.

Thick as fuck and yes,they should be sterilised

How will that be done? Drag them off to hospital against their will?

There was nothing of the sort hummus. There was no suggestion alcohol contributed to their deaths

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/3351752-Baby-girl-died-after-being-left-in-car-seat-for-15-hours-by-parents

Found it

Sorry hummus I’ve realised I misread the post. Yes things started to turn out badly for the family after the first child died and alcohol use increased

I think hummus is saying mums drinking got out of hand after the first loss.

Two children died as a result of prematurity, not the parents fault.

This baby was a high risk of sids for the same reason.

'Breeding' are you trying to lower their standing in society by the suggestion they are animals OP.

Just do as other countries, make benefits contribution based. Most of the EU is like this. Guess which countries have the most disfunctional communities.

It's a difficult and complicate thing, it's also a self fulfilling prophecy because people end up in situations where they can't break the cycle they're in, there's usually mental health and/or drug problems. One of the last cases I sat in when I worked at the law courts was a very heavily pregnant woman who was being sentenced for assaulting a police officer, the judge had to choose between detox or sending her to prison, they chose prison in the end as the baby was going to be born with an addiction regardless and this wasn't the first offence, I later found out this would be the 5th child to be taken away. I saw her several years ago on the road, she looked completely wasted and it was only early afternoon, I often think how sad it is for everyone involved.