To think they should never have been allowed more children ?

[JellieEllie]

This couple have lost 3 children to death in a period of 16 months.
The father has now separated from the children's mother and has gone on to have a further child with his new partner.

Why oh why are these types of irresponsible parents allowed to keep on breeding?
Should laws be put in place where parents who are the direct cause of a child's death be forcibly sterilised to prevent further incidents in the future ?

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/parents-whose-baby-died-boozed-13209349

Personally , I don't believe a baby is a human in its own right until the moment it is out of the Mothers body and the cord is cut.

But I do believe (100%) that is a woman choses to be pregnant and continue a pregnancy they do their ultimate to maintain the ealth of that pregnancy.

Turning up at your 20 week scan drunk is not doing that.
Therefore she loses the right to have responsibility for any more pregnancies.
So away with the "poor woman boo hoo" handwringing. They made so many bad choices over and over .
They have lost every scrap of sympathy I could ever had held .

“Therefore she loses the right to have responsibility for any more pregnancies.”

It’s not possible to lose the right to more pregnancies

Turning up at your 20 week scan drunk is not doing that.
Therefore she loses the right to have responsibility for any more pregnancies.

How can someone lose the right to be responsible for a pregnancy? Would they be locked up and forced to eat healthily, stop smoking etc?

So I don’t drive and never had the issue of worrying about babies in car seats because we didn’t use them much not having a car (just when grandparents or someone gave us a lift) but from what people tell me it’s not unusual to leave a baby sleeping in a car seat longer than the recommended hour. In fact I’ve been told by some people they get their child to sleep by going for a drive and let them sleep in the car seat.

Is it the case that it’s actually a well known fact that you mustn’t do this that you must be negligent and abusive not to know?

I'm not suggesting anything.
I have asked for people's opinions and I've already given mine.
This is a topic for debate and I've stated I'm interested in what people think and why after a conversation with my mum.

Well that's what I'm asking ? How could we stop them?
Is there a way?

Obviously not though

I'm not suggesting anything.
I have asked for people's opinions and I've already given mine.

You haven’t thought about the logical conclusion of your opinions.

It's not really a debate though. The debate would be 'is it ok to forcibly sterilise women or men who have children removed?' And the answer is obviously no

Making sterllisation or permanent contraception as a condition of their benefit claims would probably help. These sorts of people rely on the state to think for and care for them.

Let's be honest.

Premature babies are high risk the couple were warned of this.

The last last last thing anyone would do is strap a prem at risk baby into a car seat all night.

imho when a couple have has 3 children who have died, I think they could be bribed to be sterilized. It's been tried in other countries like India. I definitely don't think it's right when people have had babies die in questionable circumstances and just keep having kids. I don't think having kids is a right - I think it is a huge responsibility.

Well if someone is found guilty of neglect leading to the death of a child perhaps a 30 year prison sentence would prevent them giving birth to further babies........

The logical reason for my opinion is the fact I've got 3 relatives that were taken away as newborns and I never got the chance to meet them, as didn't the rest of my family because their mother was unfit and it was deemed by law that she couldn't raise a child. Yet she still continued to get pregnant knowing they would be taken from her at birth.
If she had been able to keep these children then they would be at extremely high risk of neglect and abuse.
So that's my reason. An opinion I am allowed to have. Like I've said a few times now we are all entitled to have one.

imho when a couple have has 3 children who have died, I think they could be bribed to be sterilised

It’s totally unethical to bribe people to be sterilised.

That’s not what you were talking about in your opening post op. You were talking about stopping people breeding, not taking children who were at high risk or neglect away at birth. Two totally different things.

Making sterllisation or permanent contraception as a condition of their benefit claims would probably help. These sorts of people rely on the state to think for and care for them

Only coerced sterilisation then! Sterilisation or destitution. Lovely!

“The logical reason for my opinion is the fact I've got 3 relatives that were taken away as newborns and I never got the chance to meet them, as didn't the rest of my family because their mother was unfit and it was deemed by law that she couldn't raise a child. Yet she still continued to get pregnant knowing they would be taken from her at birth. “

This is not a logical reason. This displays a huge lack of emotional intelligence and empathy from yourself. Can you really not see why your family member kept having children?

Yes @PurpleDaisies. She should have been stopped from getting pregnant in the first place. It was already stated that the children would be at an extremely high risk were she to keep them. (Her previous child that she had until the age of 4 was taken away for reasons I cannot disclose) she then went on to have 3 further pregnancies all of which ended in adoption.
Had she not been able to have these pregnancies following the previous child being taken, then it would have saved a lot of people a lot of heartache.

JellieElle as an abstract question, it is reasonable to ask whether some people shouldn't have children. There is another thread about the death penalty which asks a similar question about whether some people should be allowed to continue living.
The trouble is that neither question, while simple enough in theory, is not so clear cut in practice.

They are total arseholes and I feel so sorry for their kids (what chance do they have?) but YABU to think you can forcibly sterilise people.

But should the taxpayer keep picking up the burden for parents who repeatedly have children that then go into care?? A it's inhuman for those kids and B someone has to pay the bill.

Had she not been able to have these pregnancies following the previous child being taken, then it would have saved a lot of people a lot of heartache

That’s irrelevant. You can’t force people to undergo sterilisation through coercion or otherwise.