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Freedom of the press is not just important to democracy; it is democracy. Trump no. 94.

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TheClaws · 05/09/2018 00:41

Quote from Walter Cronkite.

Previous thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3345873-Trump-has-a-Pecker-problem-and-there-is-a-blue-pill-to-make-it-grow-bigger-midterms-Trump-threads-contd

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Gumpendorf · 05/09/2018 23:13

Yup, I think we've got the unprecedented point now. Smile

WATCH: @BeschlossDC: "I've never seen anything like this in modern presidential history" #MTPDaily https://twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/1037455749889380355/video/1

PerkingFaintly · 05/09/2018 23:49

alardi, turns out the thing about ghosts in the Oval Office is another a hoax: www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-oval-office-ghosts/

Seem to be a lot of people having fun with satire around the Woodward book.

Or perhaps some are deliberately muddying the waters, using the fave Russian technique of putting out so much junk that people can't pick out the real.

TheClaws · 06/09/2018 00:30

Also Trump’s response:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
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TREASON?

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TheClaws · 06/09/2018 00:31

(Sorry, that’s his response to the NYT op-ed.)

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TheClaws · 06/09/2018 00:56

SHS issues a WH statement saying the “coward” who penned the NYT op-ed should resign.

thehill.com/homenews/administration/405255-white-house-says-anonymous-coward-should-resign

Trump goes further and calls the writer “gutless”. I disagree. I think you’d have to be quite gutsy to risk your career in this way. Anonymity is never a guarantee.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
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Does the so-called “Senior Administration Official” really exist, or is it just the Failing New York Times with another phony source? If the GUTLESS anonymous person does indeed exist, the Times must, for National Security purposes, turn him/her over to government at once!

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lionheart · 06/09/2018 01:32

Just read a funny little twitter thread that suggested the Op Ed was the work of Pence based on the use of one word that is often repeated in his speeches, 'lodestar.'

Not at all comforting.

lionheart · 06/09/2018 01:38

VEEPTHROAT has now been coined.

cozietoesie · 06/09/2018 01:47

No. It's not at all comforting, is it?

SheGotBetteDavisEyes · 06/09/2018 01:58

I'm almost as inclined to believe the possibility that Sessions the author of the piece was keen to throw up little smokescreens with the use of language.

lionheart · 06/09/2018 01:58

Unless you think the tipping point has been reached because he has decided the time is right to make his move. Small comfort.

www.vox.com/2018/9/5/17823824/trump-claims-he-has-100-photos-of-comey-and-mueller-kissing-we-tried-to-find-some

lionheart · 06/09/2018 02:04

Cage rattled.

Donald J. Trump
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'TREASON?'

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
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'Does the so-called “Senior Administration Official” really exist, or is it just the Failing New York Times with another phony source? If the GUTLESS anonymous person does indeed exist, the Times must, for National Security purposes, turn him/her over to government at once!'

cozietoesie · 06/09/2018 02:05

I find it hard to believe that 45 already had 100 photos and never used them before! Wink

cozietoesie · 06/09/2018 02:06

Who is the NYT editor? Smile

lionheart · 06/09/2018 02:09

If it is Pence his strategy has not been welcomed.

www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-09-05/new-york-times-op-ed-writer-can-t-avert-a-trump-crisis

cozietoesie · 06/09/2018 02:13

Oh Dear.

Twitter bug

TheClaws · 06/09/2018 02:20

lionheart I just saw an article about the Pence/lodestar theory. It is an uncommon word that he appears to like to use relatively frequently in his speech and writing, so for it to appear in the op-ed is the word equivalent of a fingerprint. However, if someone else in the administration was attempting to sound like Pence, and knew him well enough to be aware of his word eccentricities, they could have thrown it in for that reason.

www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/lodestar-mike-pence-anonymous-new-york-times_us_5b905dd5e4b0511db3dec1e1

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lionheart · 06/09/2018 02:27

That is a very good idea. Devious. Smile

What would be the point? To help Trump in some way or clear the way for someone other than Pence?

If it was Pence his signature means that the Op Ed is a kind of weather balloon.

cozietoesie · 06/09/2018 02:31

I've never seen a Veep take their oath with quite as much fervour as Pence. Make of that what you will. I don't think the Op Ed was down to him. I don't think he's bright enough to have a plan for starters.

lionheart · 06/09/2018 02:58

Kamala Harris is giving BK a jolly good shake.

alardi · 06/09/2018 05:37

It's an enjoyable squirm to watch, isn't it?

Casting for the Trump movie:

Trump: Tom Hanks
Pence: Patrick Stewart
Melania: Kim Kardashian
Ivanka: Jennifer Lawrence
Jeff Sessions: Kevin Spacey
Mueller: Liam Neeson
Rober Stone: Danny Devito
M. Cohen: Ben Stiller
S. Pruitt: Leo DiCarprio
Steve Mnuchen: Steve Buscemi
Manafort: Johnny Galecki
HRC: Jessica Lange

LeatherTuscadero · 06/09/2018 05:50

It's enjoyable to watch Trump in pain and confusion.

But it's also deeply scary and ominous. People could die because of the lashing-out fallout from these revelations.

TheClaws · 06/09/2018 07:14
Grin

Fox News @FoxNews
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.@PressSec: “It’s hard to argue with the fact that this president has had the most successful two first years of any president in modern history.”

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Gumpendorf · 06/09/2018 08:02

https://www.msnbc.com/brian-williams/watch/jon-meacham-this-is-trump-s-real-time-final-days-playing-out-1313925187540

Is there a danger the Woodward connection is making people draw optimistic conclusions?

I don't think Trump will accept he's lost like Nixon. He's too deluded for that.