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Kim Woodburn continued...

979 replies

obviouslyperfect · 01/09/2018 22:40

New thread and still wondering why there has been no apology or acknowledgement of the incident in Loose Women last week.

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Pompadourpink · 06/09/2018 06:17

This started as an interesting debate but has descended into unbelievable nastiness. It's horrible especially given the original subject was bullying.

lightonthewater · 06/09/2018 07:24

I agree, the tone of this debate has turned really nasty. it's beginning to sound like a lynch mob. How is this different to what happened on LW?

obviouslyperfect · 06/09/2018 07:34

Well it could be said with the tickets sales etc that it was only descriptive, not bullying, which is the excuse the CN defenders were using for her comments, but yes. Let’s not stoop.

Flowers to all who told their stories on these threads.

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birdsdestiny · 06/09/2018 07:38

It's the same as happened on the Roxanne threads, I am no fan of CN or LW but it feels like mob mentality. There have been some comments which appear to almost justify some of the threats that CN is getting, - they shouldn't say those things but taste of your own medicine, karma etc.

obviouslyperfect · 06/09/2018 07:41

birdsdestiny has the furore over Roxanne died down now that she’s apologised?

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SchadenfreudePersonified · 06/09/2018 07:43

I don't think it's anything like a "lynch mob" - people died as a result of lynch mobs.

There have been very few personal attacks on CN; yes, there is perhaps more pleasure being taken than is "nice" in the fact that the solo tour is not selling well, but that is because people are glad to see that BULLYING isn't being supported - not because they want to crush CN in particular (well - they didn't, but perhaps her post-LW behaviour, and her awful son's vile tweets, have hardened attitudes).

TBH - I doubt her tour would have been a huge hit anyway - certainly not the career-boost she was hoping for. She isn't a singer, though she likes to think she is, and she and LN have been very fortunate to coast along on the little talent they have for as long as they have. They have been lucky - a lot of showbiz success depends on luck - some artist have the personality and good sense to grasp their chances and make the most of them; others don't. Even more don't get the opportunities, despite working hard and being very talented. As someone said earlier - Them's the breaks.

The poor sales for the tour aren't welcomed as CN's career death knell - they are welcomed because it shows that viewers are sending a message that they will NOT tolerate bullying behaviour.- and hopefully a message that this sort of car crash TV has had its horrible day. The viewing public are not idiots - often we want light entertainment and debate of issues from a "man-in-the-street" perspective, rather than an intellectual, or political, or economic one, but that doesn't mean we want playground spite and viciousness.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 06/09/2018 07:47

Personal threats and comments like "I hope you die/get cancer/etc" are NEVER acceptable.

But I haven't noticed anything like that on this thread. However, I have been very pleased to see that CN was called out on her behaviour, and her self-serving justifications afterwards. So she should be. She has paid the price for being - well, for being CN, I suppose. If this makes her kinder to people, it will have served its purpose.

ShatnersWig · 06/09/2018 07:58

CN has got away with some really crass behaviour and some outright homophobia on that show for years. This is why people have invoked karma as many have felt this long overdue. Without question any death threats and wishing someone dead is abhorrent; the rest is schadenfraude

knittedwoollenmouse · 06/09/2018 07:59

If they’d apologised, people wouldn’t have reacted the way they are.

birdsdestiny · 06/09/2018 08:12

As I said no threats on this thread but lots of thinly veiled 'serves her right if she's threatened'. I don't think the furore over roxanne has died down at all, now its lots of people and even if it had the endless threads calling her a bitch, discussing her 'getting her tits out' , deciding that 'a 35 year old shouldnt dress like a 15 year old', well they are here forever.

birdsdestiny · 06/09/2018 08:14

Interesting sentence there Grin. It should say now it's just lots of people debating whether her apology is genuine.

ShatnersWig · 06/09/2018 08:29

@birdsdestiny With respect, I don't think you're quite getting it. CN took the best part of a week to make an apology TO THOSE WHO WERE OFFENDED. She did not apologise TO Kim. Even when it was clear a considerable number of people were pretty appalled at what happened, her own web team were tweeting out some ridiculous stuff, as was her own son. Linda Nolan has not apologised. Janet Street-Porter has not apologised. The producers of Loose Women who knowingly set this up, knowingly chose to put two Nolans on the panel together, knowingly chose to play the Exorcist music have not apologised.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 06/09/2018 08:31

Shatner has summed it up perfectly.

No apologies. Much self-pity and self-justification.

No-one is destroying anyone's career. She's done that herself.

Jitters22 · 06/09/2018 08:35

Well said Shatner

ShatnersWig · 06/09/2018 08:36

Sorry, it wasn't Exorcist, it was Carmina Burana I think, but you knew what I meant!

PrickWhittington · 06/09/2018 08:52

I don't think it's important that Kim is old or has MH issues

Wow.

They way forward everyone! Hmm

PrickWhittington · 06/09/2018 08:53

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PrickWhittington · 06/09/2018 08:55

Personal threats and comments like "I hope you die/get cancer/etc" are NEVER acceptable

Agreed. where's the proof of said comments? If anyone actually said that, it should be a police matter. Why isn't it then?

wolfywolfy · 06/09/2018 08:57

I am not seeing how this thread has turned into a lynch mob ?
We are simply talking about Coleen's actions,
Saying her career is over is not bullying ? We are just hear discussing the outcomes of the whole thing.
It is getting dragged out and worse by no one actually acknowledging what the Loose Women Panel did. And now JSP has written an article completely ignoring real facts. It is going to get people's backs up that the real issues are not being addressed and glossed over when we all watched it and heard it .As I said downthread it's just a massive gaslighting situation.
Colleen Nolan does not deserve death threats , no body does and I'm pretty sure there haven't been any on mumsnet. I don't think we would stoop that low.
All JSP has done with that article is show she was on CN's side all along,,.proving it was a gang handed situation.
All of this just smacks complete hypocrisy and irony and that is what we are debating.
No lynch Mobs here.

birdsdestiny · 06/09/2018 09:09

With respect Shatner I am quite capable of following the arguement. On the Roxanne thread I pointed out that culpability for what happened also lay squarely with CBB and I feel the same with loose women. What on earth did they think was going to happen. On both shows anyone could have predicted that it was going to end horribly. Targeting Colleen ( who incidentally I disagree with on pretty much everything) and Roxanne solves nothing.

IhatetheArchers · 06/09/2018 09:18

It doesn't really matter if Roxanne p's. Apology was genuine. What she understood, or was told, was that she had to make it or none of the shit she was getting would go away.

CN, well, at least she will have an excuse for her 'musical comeback' flopping. Plus, an excuse to write a new autobiography. I think there is a ghost writer on the ama thread that can help.

DearMrDilkington · 06/09/2018 09:19

Coleen Nolan has never been a very nice person, her previous comments from years ago show that. I can't feel sympathy for someones career ending when they are homophobic, sexist and a bully. It should have ended years ago.

DearMrDilkington · 06/09/2018 09:25

A Christian-owned bakery was found guilty of discrimination after they refused to make a cake carrying a pro-gay marriage slogan.

Coleen's response? What about if somebody walked in and said I want a cake and I want the whole Islamic State on it and how I support it and how I support them killing our people. Because it's a business, do they have to make it? And if they turn around and say they're not making it, we'd all applaud it.

She's a disgrace.

ShatnersWig · 06/09/2018 09:29

Yes, we've raised her homophobic comments previously.

southeastdweller · 06/09/2018 09:48

I don’t feel bad for hoping her ‘career’ is over, because it deserves to be.