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To not understand how this different from putting an anorexic model on the cover

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Spinderelle · 30/08/2018 12:59

Cosmopolitan have a morbidly obese model on their cover this month. I am absolutely behind the idea of body positivity - after children my body is far from perfect and it’s nice to see companies like ASOS use larger women and not airbrush stretch marks etc.

But this model is dangerously obese and risking her health. How is that any different from having a dangerously thin model on the cover?

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AllDayBreakfast · 03/09/2018 12:49

Isn't Tess Holiday the one that had a spat with Steven Crowder?

raisedbyguineapigs · 03/09/2018 14:42

TH is at the extreme end of plus size so no I can't think of anyone in my acquaintance who is that size and most models are more a size 4 than a size 8. The point In making is that they are not the average sized woman or even an average slim woman or sized 16.

HelenaDove · 03/09/2018 15:39

Serendipity im a Red reader and you are talking about last months issue. Helena also said both kids and adults would tease her and she spent her formative years trying to put weight on. And that it left her with some issues as she got older.

Interesting that what she said is treated with dismissal on this thread while Forfupsake isnt!

interestingly in the same issue Bryony Gordon who is overweight and a recovering bulimic talks about loving and accepting your body and her acheivement of running the London Marathon.

She ran her second marathon with her friend the plus size model Jada Sezer. in underwear because they wanted to show people that runners bodies come in all shapes and sizes.

Here is a recent tweet about some of the reactions she got.

Bryony Gordon
‏Verified account @bryony_gordon
Aug 30

"This reminds me a bit of when @JadaSezer and I did the marathon in our undies and a few people accused us of promoting obesity. While running a marathon! Ha ha! None of this is promoting anything other than THE FACT THAT THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF BODIES"

Let that sink in for a minute She was accused of promoting obesity while EXCERSISING

So overweight people can never get it right in the eyes of the shamers.

gendercritter · 03/09/2018 15:46

Let that sink in for a minute She was accused of promoting obesity while EXCERSISING

.....in her undercrackers. In a world of clickbait and publicity stunts, she didn't think that wouldn't get her a large amount of attention and debate and controversy?

She didn't deserve to be shamed. (i've never heard of her) But it would have been a valid option to run wearing clothes and put across what she felt about how there are many different bodies in a blog post.

AynRandTheObjectivist · 03/09/2018 16:00

Well I see plenty of women Tess' size, with beautiful faces. My hairdresser for one. And I see plenty of women who are a size 6-8 too.

ShirleyPhallus · 03/09/2018 16:03

Let that sink in for a minute She was accused of promoting obesity while EXCERSISING

You can be overweight and exercise. Doesn’t mean you’re fit and healthy. Just means you eat more than you work off.

HelenaDove · 03/09/2018 16:45

Hang on They had Tina Malone on to judge Tess Holliday.

Seriously?

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/panto-bosses-confirm-tina-malone-11746451

HelenaDove · 03/09/2018 16:53

"Actress Tina Malone has been left jobless after being sacked from panto for having cocaine.

In a scene that could have come straight from her TV hit Shameless, Tina was arrested by police as she left the theatre.

They had been tipped off by shocked ­theatre staff after she was heard asking for “her little bag of snow” before going on stage.

Suspicious parents at the Sleeping Beauty pantomime also reportedly saw her with a white substance under her nose.

Tina, 54, whose co-stars included children, later admitted having the class A drug after being arrested last night. She was given a police caution"

The actress was promptly sacked from her role as wicked fairy godmother Carabosse at the Cloud Nine theatre in Barrow-in-Furness, Cumbria – although production bosses insisted it was a mutual decision for her to leave.

A show source told the Sunday People: “Tina had been asking ­people earlier in the evening if they had seen her ‘little bag of snow’.

“She seemed concerned that it had gone missing.

“One of the parents at the panto noticed a white substance under her nose and asked what it was.

"She just winked and said ‘It’s showbiz snow’.

Liverpudlian Tina, best known for her role as foul-mouthed Mimi Maguire in Channel 4’s Shameless, was pictured only hours before her arrest eating a takeaway burger in between shows.

Her four-year-old daughter Flame and husband Paul Chase, who is 19 years her junior, were in the theatre when police swooped.

She reportedly asked police not to handcuff her as she was led away while members of the audience were leaving.

Our source said: “As she came off stage, she heard a rumour police had been tipped off she was using cocaine

She tried to get a taxi, but police stopped her in time and took her inside the venue to search her. She begged the police not to handcuff her, and seemed very worried.”

A Cumbria police spokesman said: “Police were called at 8:21pm on Friday to the report of a female being in possession of an illegal substance.

“A 54-year-old woman from Merseyside was arrested on suspicion of being in ­possession of a class A drug.

“The woman was detained whilst she helped police with their enquiries. She was later cautioned for the offence.”

After Tina’s shock departure, production bosses drafted in a male stand-in, Alan French, for the final shows.

A spokesman for Joe Purdy Productions said: “We and the ­artist involved have made a mutual ­decision to terminate contract with immediate effect as soon as we were made aware of the situation.

"The cast and crew were deeply shocked and ­saddened but in true panto spirit, the show must go on.”

But our source claimed the rest of the cast were pleased to see the back of “diva” Tina, who has also appeared in Victoria Wood’s sitcom Dinnerladies and C4 soap Brookside.

The source said: “She was moody and always swearing, even at the kids.”

Another show insider said: “We had to move Tina from her original accommodation in a refurbished block of flats to one of the most expensive hotels in the area as she complained constantly.

“She didn’t know the songs for the first show and one of the dancers had to sing it and she lost it with the kid and ­reduced her to tears. Tina didn’t really mix with the rest of the cast.”

Tina was unavailable for comment despite repeated requests"

So they got someone who has done Class A drugs around kids to sit in judgement over a plus size model.

I didnt realize cocaine was healthy!!

But its ok to set shitty examples ...................as long as you are slim.

The double standards here are sickening. I find this kind of hypocrisy far more damaging than the Cosmo cover.

yellowfest · 03/09/2018 18:08

She looks great. Get over yourselves. There is more than one way to be.

She looks vile.

MaryandMichael · 03/09/2018 22:24

She looks vile.
Your post looks vile to me.

BecauseImExtra · 04/09/2018 03:28

Her message to her bashers

To not understand how this different from putting an anorexic model on the cover
Sisgal · 04/09/2018 06:14

That is not healthy. Or attractive. On any level. Fat mess

CoffeeMilkNoSugar · 04/09/2018 08:02

Well, she's cutting off her nose to spite her face.
Very smart, Tess, very smart. eyeroll

MenaMecca · 04/09/2018 10:56

I think that post is a bad move by Tess.

AynRandTheObjectivist · 04/09/2018 13:12

Nothing she said was going to appease people who hate her Cosmo cover so she might as well have kept it short and snarky.

Ta1kinpeace · 04/09/2018 13:32

I'd never heard of her.

She's still grossly overweight.

overnightangel · 04/09/2018 20:29

Of course there are larger women who are pretty.
She isn’t one of them. Unhealthy, bad role model, seems like a bit of a horrendous person too.
Diabetes and associated problems before long. Irresponsible to say it’s ok to be like that , because, duh, it isn’t. If any of my family were that size I’d be terrified and urging them to seek help ASAP.

HelenaDove · 04/09/2018 20:30

So what is James Corden promoting here gendercritter?

twitter.com/jameelajamil/status/1036995745818140672

gendercritter · 05/09/2018 07:06

Those men aren't morbidly obese. They are all more of a normal weight despite being on the heavier side. I'd actually value seeing magazine covers with women who are generally bigger and definitely ones where the focus is on the women's achievements rather than their looks. Women come in different sizes and that is ok.

Those images definitely aren't sexualised (because the men are all being valued for what they can do rather than how beautiful they are). Even JC who has his kit off - we're supposed to think he's hilarious, rather than glamorous and aspirational.

You would be very unlikely to ever see a circa 30 stone man on a men's health magazine, say - mostly because an editor knows it won't generate the froth and controversy in the same way. Because the misogyny won't be there. I think the Cosmo editor is using Tess in than regard - it was a brilliant move on her part from the point of voew of her business.

MenaMecca · 05/09/2018 07:10

I remember few years ago, there was a controversy about her selling $40 shirts and the buyers never received their shirts. Then when they complained, they were banned from her social media.

gendercritter · 05/09/2018 07:10

And as much as this issue really concerns me, I think some of the comments on this thread are abhorrent. It's perfectly possible to talk about obesity in society as a very serious negative issue without resorting to being so rude about individuals. Fat people aren't vile. They're human beings with as much worth as anyone else. Despite Tess's protestations saying otherwise, being overweight is generally absolutely wretched and lonely. People don't need a kicking when they're down. They need support.

MaisyPops · 05/09/2018 07:38

You would be very unlikely to ever see a circa 30 stone man on a men's health magazine, say - mostly because an editor knows it won't generate the froth and controversy in the same way. Because the misogyny won't be there.
Or because there's not going to be swathes of men trying to argue how fit and sexy he is or try to twist some weird logic into saying 'good on you mate'. It's fairly simple. Men's health know that being morbidly obese isn't good. Men know that being morbidly obese isn't good. There'd be no frothing or debate because no men will come out telling other men to respect someone's story and how big fella is an example to us of all of how to get through tough times etc.

Whereas most women know being morbidly obese isn't good but there's enough women (either through trying to virtue signal or because it makes them feel better about themselves) will go out of their way to argue that the Cosmo cover is the height of female empowerment and that it's great to see a.curvy covergirl and and criticism of it is just bitch and fat shaming. They'll do all sorts of mental gymnastics rather than go for the obvious which is 'being morbidly obese isn't healthy, isn't attractive and isn't anything to aspire to'.

gendercritter · 05/09/2018 07:42

Yes absolutely. And I think a lot of that comes from the fact we've been so conditioned to be kind.

But kind isn't always good. Kind can be the opposite in fact. It doesn't do anyone any favours at all to say to someone who is slowly killing themselves, 'you keep going.'

TheNavigator · 05/09/2018 07:43

The first response to James Cordon's tweet I saw was pointing out that the men weren't models and were the equivalent of putting Dawn French, Oprah Winfrey or Rosie O'Donell on the cover - all of whom have featured on the cover of magazines. None of the men are even close to as morbidly obese as the Cosmo model and are not in a swimsuit to really ram home how unhealthily overweight they are. False comparison.

MurunBuchstansagur · 05/09/2018 08:41

What an annoying woman the Cosmo editor is.

As for the model - being that fat is probably going to kill her early. Ludicrous to suggest otherwise.