To not understand how this different from putting an anorexic model on the cover

[Spinderelle]

Cosmopolitan have a morbidly obese model on their cover this month. I am absolutely behind the idea of body positivity - after children my body is far from perfect and it’s nice to see companies like ASOS use larger women and not airbrush stretch marks etc.

But this model is dangerously obese and risking her health. How is that any different from having a dangerously thin model on the cover?

@trancepants You said it wonderfully

There is nothing positive about Type 2 diabetes and heart disease which Tess Holiday is very highly likely to end up with before she is 50.

Having nicely drawn eyebrows and a few pretty tats will count for jack shit when she's insulin dependent and sucking on a nebuliser.

For those saying that anorexia is the fatal killer...hang on, cardiovascular disease is our second biggest cause of premature death in the UK!! Of course fat kills. It takes longer to kill but it kills and the bad habits and the damage start in childhood.

I read the majority of the thread.

I stand by my opinion that if models like Tess help people feel better about themselves, then that is only going help people improve the quality of their lives and health. Acceptance of people at every size wouldn't increase the rates of obesity.

To the previous poster - You know what also increases the chances of heart disease and type 2 diabetes - yoyo dieting and stress. There are studies showing this.

People should not be encouraged to 'feel good' about being morbidly obese. And yes, I know perfectly well that there are many causes of Type 2 Diabetes and heart disease, I never said there wasn't.

toomuchconfusion are you saying the subject of obesity should be shut down and never discussed on the internet?

You know what? It might actually be good she is on that cover.
I have exercised even more than usually and even my cravings disappeared... And I am not joking.
I think this can be quite a wake up call for people like me, because I certainly don't want to be that size. Now she is my motivation. Motivation to exercise even more to not to end up like that and dead at 50.

It's different because woman aren't made to feel like that's what they SHOULD look like and that's what men expect them to look like.
There should be more emphasis on the fact that we all look different and are all worth the same instead of a few unrealistic pictures of unachievable bodies being the goalpost if you want to be considered attractive.

No of course I am not suggesting it should never be discussed on the internet. Plus I take responsibility for choosing to read threads like this, I should just ignore them.

I am saying that is depressing that the overall view of people as fat as Tess is one of ignorance and judgement. I'm suggesting that all these people saying they are concerned, aren't concerned enough to actually want to understand the issues. They want to make sweeping statements and believe they are right.

I am saying this discussion is unhelpful and will do nothing to actually help people. There are a number of posters who seem to be dressing up superiority as concern.

It's laughable to think this discussion could be shut down, people are falling over themselves to discuss obesity.

I am seriously curious about how should morbid obesity be discussed then.

I stand by my opinion that if models like Tess help people feel better about themselves, then that is only going help people improve the quality of their lives and health.

And if skinny models help anorexics feel better about themselves we should continue to promote them despite the fact that it's unhealthy?

I think it's possible to say it's unhealthy without saying that it makes a person ugly, unlovable and immoral.

Went to primark and noticed they changed their pjs sizes 10-12 from a “medium” to a “small” and the 14-16 is now a medium, not a large. In Europe a size 12 would be a large! I think we are getting bigger and bigger and it’s irresponsible to not try and stop it.

Op, you're absolutelly right. If they want ho promote a healthy body, there are many women with healthy body weight.. but no, it's better to promote extremes...

the thread ive linked in earlier proves its not about health but hatred of overweight people.

Ive never been on the sober threads on here because im a teetotaller who has never been drunk but i can imagine how similar smuggery would go down on there.

I don't hate overweight people, I think there are different levels - many women fret about their weight who look perfectly fine. But the Cosmo cover is an extreme - a morbidly obese woman who is, to my mind, the visual equivalent of those heartbreaking anorexia images from further up the thread. Very uncomfortable to look at and representative of poor mental & physical health.

Don't be ridiculous. I don't hate that cosmo model, I don't know her. But her physical appearance makes me cringe. Her heart must be really struggling.

My phrase was

"the thread ive linked in earlier proves its not about health but hatred of overweight people"

i didnt say anyone personally and yet you jumped on the defensive I wonder why?

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/pip-mcmanus-anorexia-inquest-stockport-12975723

Re pp saying no child has died of anorexia

I think it is encouraging people to overeat... if you are attractive but a size 18, you might be thinking, oh well... let's eat what I want because even if I get to size 24, I could still model

yeah because that's how we think

Also to a pp that said about there being loads of 16++ models for plus size clothing - there isn't!
ASOS have been under fire before for using a size 14 model for their plus size range when their plus size didn't even extend down to a 14. As someone who shops in the plus size sections, you see more 16s/14s than you do 18+.

Tess Holliday is the exception, not the rule. I can't name many plus size models over a size 20.

Read this thread and tell me its not about hatred. There is an MNer on there who has lost TWENTY STONE yet the attitudes towards her are still the same.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3205882-To-think-that-s-it-s-cheeky-as-fuck-to-expect-other-people-to-fund-your-skin-removal-surgery

People who have beaten drugs and alcohol who have done e.g. 60 days sober get lorded for it but ppl who have lost lots of weight AND kept it off still get the same scorn and derision they got pre weight loss.

Is it any wonder some dont want to bother.

Off the subject I know, but what I find amusing about Ms Holliday Is that the sjws that used to adore her have now turned on her because of "micro aggressions"

jill I've seen her in videos stuck on the floor, unable to get up without help

How is that a good thing? By continuing to 'grow' she is intentionally disabling herself

She's no role model

Tess is a bit of an outlier in that she has the face of a much slimmer woman. This is what people find photogenic/attractive.

I've seen her in videos stuck on the floor, unable to get up without help

If you're talking about the one where she's posing with other plus size models, they helped her up, but there was no suggestion she would have been stranded on the floor otherwise. She goes to the gym and she walks. I am 99% certain she is able to stand up.