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Cancel the Notting Hill Carnival!

373 replies

Witchofwisteria · 28/08/2018 07:33

AIBU. This year police have confiscated 49 knives and 70 offensive weapons total, including ACID and stun guns plus one stabbing. Over 400 people were arrested, up from 313 last year and I am starting to wonder when enough will be enough.

The streets are left in a state after the event and the cost to taxpayer is astronomical. I feel like the Notting hill carnival has lost its way and turned into a breeding ground for opportunistic thugs. The thought that someone was wondering round with ACID, willing to throw it into a crowd and scar however many tens of people it sprayed on is beyond sick. We are quite happy to say terrorists are a major threat to Londoners but these groups are a MUCH worse threat to our daily lives and it's just too risky to have this event when we know it's going to attract these nasty individuals and gangs.

I'm totally not a fuddy duddy and appreciate that things like rubbish being left and dirty streets are always going to happen with big public festivals (like Brighton Pride) but Notting hill is just seeming to get more sinister each year.

Time to cancel the festival for 1 year, sit down and re think how this could be made into a ticketed festival in 2020. The price of the ticket will help pay for the extra policing and security, fencing and security around the cordoned off area and contribute towards charities the festival supports. Think Hyde park concerts in the park type event, we need to keep people safe.

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HelenaDove · 28/08/2018 21:01

Grenfell. Windrush ( a family walked out of an inquest today because of a refusal to admit that the hostile environment played a part in their relatives death)

the increase of stop and search despite the fear of people of colour being targeted more.

We are in a rebooted version of 1981 but with regeneration and smartphones.

HelenaDove · 28/08/2018 21:03

The football fans behaviour was way worse but that was played down cos it was the World Cup

www.liveleak.com/view?t=kk6Dl_1529418012

Didsomeonesaybunny · 28/08/2018 21:12

I was there on the weekend. I like what it stands for but it was rather raucous. I went there two years ago with my exes daughter and I didn’t feel it was a place for kids.

LuluJakey1 · 28/08/2018 22:05

Sandy It is a ridiculous comment to suggest people should move from their homes and community, possibly family and friends because if an event that takes a weekend up in a year. It is also not unreasonable at all that those residents should find people urinating and shitting in their gardens and streets, graffitting their property, carrying knives, drugs, creating lots of noise and mess, needing thousands of police officers on duty , something they don't like. They should feel free to have that opinion and express it without being told to move house.
Who would like that outside their house?

Bluelady · 28/08/2018 22:13

It's been patiently pointed out numerous times that those people chose to live in Notting Hill in full knowledge that every August the carnival takes place. If they find it unacceptable they can live somewhere else. It's not that difficult to understand.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 28/08/2018 22:21

So if you've lived there since before it got big then the carnival can just move along then? Right ho.

Bluelady · 28/08/2018 22:48

It's been going for 42 years so most people would know what they were letting themselves in for.

Ithinkmymirrorslying · 28/08/2018 23:16

I've been waiting to see a thread on NHC pop up all weekHmm

Anyway I went yesterday and have been going for 30 years, it was as a pp said one of the best ones I've been to, it was calm, peaceful and definetly not as rammed packed as it usually is, which was very surprising i had a very enjoyable day.

I do agree with some pp that it should be either be given more space or moved somewhere within the area, as that is the whole attraction of carnival you get to walk around freely following the floats dancing, but are then able to stop off one of the side roads to listen to the sound systems.
The route is ingrained in most people's minds and each person knows why they're there.
I don't ever feel threatened when I've been there and definetly don't think it's scary Confused but I do think that to combat crime it does need better organisation, bags searched at every entrance and station and if you're going to use knife arches use them on everyone.
I love carnival and am still feeling the effects of the rum today and I can't wait until next year.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 29/08/2018 00:00

It wasn't big 42 years ago though. There are still plenty of people around from when it wasn't maasive - and remember it has grown far beyond the original routes. It now takes over a fair chunk in west London. We've watched it grow over the past 40 years.

serbska · 29/08/2018 00:07

Anyway I went yesterday and have been going for 30 years, it was as a pp said one of the best ones I've been to, it was calm, peaceful and definetly not as rammed packed as it usually is, which was very surprising i had a very enjoyable day

I reckon the rain on Sunday will have kept numbers down a bit.

bridgetoc · 29/08/2018 00:07

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BonnieF · 29/08/2018 00:22

I have no wish to attend the Notting Hill Carnival again. Once was definitely enough. I hope it continues in its present form, however. It’s great that it pisses off the horrible, stuck-up rich locals so much Grin.

kmc1111 · 29/08/2018 01:12

I lived there til recently. I always enjoyed it. Worst thing you deal with a bit of noise and mess. Nothing worse than you get regularly if you live amongst bars or pubs. Better actually, since the police actually take an interest.

Anyone who thinks it’s particularly dangerous has never been anywhere actually dangerous.

I used to live near a sports stadium, and that was bloody horrifying. I was often chased and harassed by drunk football hooligans, genuinely thought I was going to die a few times, regularly had bricks and other rubbish thrown through my windows, and had one car set on fire and another smashed up and flipped over. Funnily enough no one ever gave a shit about that.

bridgetoc · 29/08/2018 01:14

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HelenaDove · 29/08/2018 01:20

bridgetoc you need to watch my link above then.

i totally believe kmc.

the blokes in my link got away with it too.

HelenaDove · 29/08/2018 01:22

bridgetoc did you miss what some of the footie fans got up to. It was on the news and all over this site. And all over the country not just in one place. Were any ambulances or other emergency response vehcles trashed during Carnival

bridgetoc · 29/08/2018 01:48

I'm not calling BS on the undoubted existence of football related violence, but more towards the whataboutery of your post.

This is a discussion about The Notting Hill carnival, not about football yobs. Don't conflate the two.

W0rriedMum · 29/08/2018 02:14

I went years ago to the NHC but didn't enjoy it. Like others have said, I found it menacing even on the family day.

But regardless of my own views, I think it has outgrown the location and it should be moved to a ticketed event somewhere. This event needs to move with the times. You can't even go to a Cbeebies event without having bags scanned these days.

HelenaDove · 29/08/2018 02:21

"This is a discussion about The Notting Hill carnival, not about football yobs. Don't conflate the two."

Why arent you as angry about crime when its commited by people with white skin?

shopnblog · 29/08/2018 02:29

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counterpoint · 29/08/2018 02:34

Hold the festival round the M25. Smile

actualpuffins · 29/08/2018 02:53

I went to NHC twice in the early 00s. I had fun with friends, as you do almost anywhere with drink and friends when you are young, but it was stupidly crowded even then, you couldn't really see anything, it took ages to get out and in, the atmosphere was pretty lairy, and there were stabbings. It seemed to me, like a lot of things in London, it would be a lot nicer with half the people there.

Beansonapost · 29/08/2018 03:05

@bridgetoc WTAF?!

Go have a google; trini carnival, crop over, UWI Cardinal, bacchanal, xyamaca etc all carnival celebrations. Trini is the best though.

" getting humped from behind"... "overly sexualised black people" 🤣 blame backra massa for that & also perpetuating that stereotype of black men and women, which quite clearly some of you still believe to be true.

The woefully ignorant on here...

Anything you don't "get" is deemed vulgar etc. Twerking is an American term FYI.... Caribbean people whine.

Clutch the pearls people.... HARD!

Itchytights · 29/08/2018 03:44

Of course it needs to be cancelled.

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