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To think that a political party *trigger warning* (Title edited by MNHQ)

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NameChangedAgain18 · 25/08/2018 23:48

AIBU to think that if a political party:

Has its divisional registered address at a house which is a crime scene.

And that crime is the torture and rape of a 10-year old child, for which the perpetrator received a 22-year jail sentence.

And that living with this paedophile was a member of the party who was running for the post of Deputy Leader of the Party.

And that party member allowed the paedophile (their father) to nominate them for roles in the Party and employed him as their election agent after he had been arrested for raping and torturing the child (something which election candidate cannot possibly have been unaware of).

And that both the candidate and their father (respectively transgender and cross-dressing) had been campaigning through the Party for the loosening of safeguarding of children in schools and organisations like the Girl Guides. A campaign which the Party has been very supportive of, even turning a blind eye to the candidate’s doxxing of women.

That:

a) there might be some tiny mention of this Party’s failings in the press?

b) this candidate is probably not ideally suited to being Deputy Leader of the Party?

c) the Party might have done slightly better than this in wording its statement:

mobile.twitter.com/TheGreenParty/status/1033387641226649603

OP posts:
DioneTheDiabolist · 26/08/2018 16:20

Weird how AC is responsible enough to be given the freedom to libel 50,000 people on behalf of the Green Party, whilst simultaneously being a young person in need of protection.

I wouldn't say it was "weird", I'd say it was monumentally stupid! It doesn't take Psychic Sigmund to look at this young person and see the potential for a cluster fuck, anyone with a titter of wit would be wary of giving a very young transperson, from an abusive home, who had been in care such great responsibilities.

No way should Aimee have been appointed Equality Officer or allowed to stand for Deputy Leader with or without a sick, child rapist father as Election Agent.Angry Their statement is wholly inadequate. Their actions negligent. Their apology, complete and utter shit.AngryAngryAngry The Green Party UK needs to take a long hard look at itself and answer some difficult questions.

paintedwingsandgiantrings · 26/08/2018 16:22

YANBU. I was just about to post the same thing.

Cherrygardenst · 26/08/2018 16:22

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BitOfFun · 26/08/2018 16:32

That's hardly the most important issue at hand, is it, Cherry? Even if you were correct. The fact is that the Green Party appear to be shielding her to the point of grossly diminishing the trauma caused to a TEN YEAR OLD.

Unacceptable.

Sarahconnor1 · 26/08/2018 16:33

Cherrygardenst

I don't think speculation like that is appropriate.

And no if Aimee was a biological women and had demonstrated the same dreadful judgement in having someone who was charged with raping a child as their campaign agent I would be saying exactly the same thing. That person should not be in a position where they can lobby and influence for the lowering of safeguards.

I would also add because Aimee is trans is likely the reason this isn't being reported by the BBC or guardian.

lowtide · 26/08/2018 16:34

@Cherrygardenst
I don’t disagree, which is why I said it was the responsibility of the GP to make the checks, make the decisions. She clearly couldn’t do that for herself.
As a large political party they have a responsibility

Cherrygardenst · 26/08/2018 16:35

But if they were abused by the man themselves then it is less "sinister" from them (intention-wise). Abused people often protect abusers due to having been manipulated etc.

I am not saying that is the case here, but I do think if AC were female people would have at least considered that possibility of them also being abused, whereas as a male he is deemed as obviously being complicit and probably just as sick.

Cherrygardenst · 26/08/2018 16:38

(and no I am not an AC fan. Cannot stand them. Yes I think the whole thing is horrific and the GP definitely knew). I just don't think the blame neccessesity lies with AC because we don't know if they knew and didn't tell because they were complicit and enjoyed it or whatever, or because they were being manipulated. I mean, where did the gender dysphoria come from? There is a link to sexual abuse.

Sarahconnor1 · 26/08/2018 16:39

We have been asked on another thread not to speculate about Aimees past which is why you won't see much discussion around it.

DioneTheDiabolist · 26/08/2018 16:42

Cherry, it is known that Aimee and her siblings were taken into care by Social Services so it would not be a massive leap to assume abuse. Yet the Green Party UK didn't think this was a bit of a red flag.Hmm

TerfsUp · 26/08/2018 16:42

I am also shocked and appalled that a family member who must have been aware of this not only employed him but failed to inform the GP of his (at the time) alleged crimes.

Not only that, but said politician used the family member's nickname, rather than their proper name, as the agent. Thus not revealing the family member's past as a convicted animal abuser, whose children had previously been taken into care and who was actively campaigning for the lessening of safeguards for children and women.

lowtide · 26/08/2018 16:44

The bottom line is Aimee slowed a dangerous predator to be involved in her politely campaign

Allowed the address of a dangerous predator to be used as a campaign base

Allowed a dangerous predator to be involved in on the street campaigning

Allowed a dangerous predator to influence party politics

And the GP did no background checks to stop this from potentially happening.

TerfsUp · 26/08/2018 16:45

I would also add because Aimee is trans is likely the reason this isn't being reported by the BBC or guardian.

Yes. This does not fit into the happy-clappy trans narrative as espoused by The Guardian and the BBC. Cf Jess Bradley.

lowtide · 26/08/2018 16:45

Allowed!

lowtide · 26/08/2018 16:45

Political!! FFFSSSS

BitOfFun · 26/08/2018 16:46

Again, it's really not the most pressing concern about this whole clusterfuck anyway. What we should be focusing on is how the GP have allowed this disgraceful association to go unchallenged, and additionally how nobody has actually taken responsibility for the FUBAR or even offered a decent apology which centres the actual victim rather than the hurty feels of the trans lobbyists among their supporters.

Cherrygardenst · 26/08/2018 16:49

Cherry, it is known that Aimee and her siblings were taken into care by Social Services so it would not be a massive leap to assume abuse. Yet the Green Party UK didn't think this was a bit of a red flag.hmm

So the blame lies with the GP. I don't feel comfortable putting blame on AC with the strong possibility of them being abused there. That's how I feel about the blame element anyway.

If a woman were raped or abused by a man, do they have a responsibility to come forward and tell the world for fear of it happening to other women? I don't think they do. The man is thei father, they hold a lot of power over their kids.

lowtide · 26/08/2018 16:54

Problem is. Blame or no blame on Aimee. He should not have been allowed to be involved in her politely campaign.

Ultimately the buck stops with the Green Party and why there were no safeguards in place to make sure he was not allowed the access he had.
There will always be husbands/wives/children who will blindly believe and support offenders. That’s why they shouldn’t be given the final decision in who is involved in their politely life.

lowtide · 26/08/2018 16:55

My phone really doesn’t want me to say political - it was rather I was polite

xxmarksthespot · 26/08/2018 17:10

Aimee is young

Aimee is old enough to run terfblocker on twitter, to go after gendercrit women, to advise government and police and girl guides on trans issues, to take out injunctions against political opponents, to be the Greens spokesperson for LGBTQ, to run for deputy leader. They are old enough to take responsibility for who they appoint as election agent, for not disclosing any issues to the Greens, and for trying to silence members of their own party etc etc etc.

DioneTheDiabolist · 26/08/2018 17:12

I don't feel comfortable putting blame on AC

Me neither, but I have no problem whatever assigning blame to the Green Party. I don't believe they didn't know about DC until days after his conviction.

Now that they do know, they should be questioning AC's judgement in appointing her father as Election Officer and continuing to use the site of a child's rape and tortureSad to be an official party address. The Green Party should make her stand down whilst continuing to offer her help and support. They are not doing this. Why not?

Cherrygardenst · 26/08/2018 17:15

Now that they do know, they should be questioning AC's judgement in appointing her father as Election Officer and continuing to use the site of a child's rape and torturesad to be an official party address. The Green Party should make her stand down whilst continuing to offer her help and support.

I agree with this and I do agree that their lack of... Motivation? Over this issue is absolutely to do with AC being trans.

Carrrotsandcauliflower · 26/08/2018 17:20

“Gender based violence” is a horrifically disrespectful way to refer to rape.

Xenia · 26/08/2018 17:23

I am afraid whatever their gender and background I just don't think people of 20 should have positions of power. I was not happy to read th eother week about a 19 year old magistrate either. I just think you need a few years of life experience before you should be put in charge of things.

I just checked the Times again as I subscribe and there are no comments there. I did not check if there were earlier this morning when I posted the link. The tend not to have comments on active cases or some topics but most topics do allow comment. Perhaps they were just finding it too hard to moderate.

lowtide · 26/08/2018 17:23

Well she’s pulled out
I hope this thread and others had some influence

aimeechallenor.uk/statements.html