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AIBU?

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To work full time to fund DHs preferred lifestyle?

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Smoothsailing9 · 22/08/2018 19:51

Bit of background first. My DH has a professional job which he trained for at university and has done ever since (20 years). He earns approx £50,000 a year. I went to university but did an arts degree, then trained as a teacher but didn’t enjoy it. Worked in various fairly low paid arts related jobs until I had DCs and took several years out. Returned to work part time when youngest was 3. My mum has always willingly provided free childcare/ after school supervision. I now have a 20 hours per week job I really enjoy but is very low paid compared to DH, I bring home around £8,000 a year.

A few days ago eldest DS was talking about a new phone he wants for Xmas. We discussed it and told him it was way too expensive. Obviously he moaned and sulked - he is 14. But DH used the opportunity to go on a massive rant about how little money he has, how he can’t afford a new car and foreign holiday every year etc and eventually, as I knew it would, it ended up being my fault for not bringing enough money in. This was in front of DCs. I was upset but left it.

Then about 3am that night DH wakes me up to say he’s really stressed about money. I said, I’m not discussing this in the middle of the night and went downstairs to make a cup of tea (I don’t sleep very well). He followed me and started a huge row about how “someone of your intelligence should be earning more” and “ if I’d married someone in my industry, I’d be fine”. Went on about how much more his friends earn, how I’ve got no savings or pension (although I actually have), how he wants me to get a full time job.

He brings all this up regularly but it’s really upset me this time. Although he’s a good dad, I do all the housework, paperwork, shopping and cooking and the ‘mental load’ stuff. I spend all my time not at work doing stuff for the house and family, whereas he just works, comes home and relaxes. If I worked full time his life would change massively. He might be able to buy a nicer car, but he’d need to take on half of the running of the house and I know he wouldn’t. I would certainly go back full time when the DCs can look after themselves more, but I just can’t see how I’d manage it now. Also, I am really low maintenance and really don’t cost him a lot. Don’t drink, no expensive hobbies, buy all my clothes off eBay. So AIBU not to look for a full time job?

OP posts:
glintandglide · 23/08/2018 09:54

Why do people keep saying posters have assumed that OP can walk into a high paying job? No one has said that. They have said FULL TIME IN HER EXISTING ROLE which she already has, so presumably more than capable

Also PMSL at the assertation that it’s difficult to get anything but a minimum wage outside the “south east” - what claptrap

Electrack · 23/08/2018 09:55

It’s grim oop north glint

Wink
Bubu222 · 23/08/2018 09:57

OP is probably in a defensive mode reading all the criticism and advices, and it's only natural. It might be hard to take in at the moment as it's a lot to process but she might get her head around eventually?

I think the husband is genuinely stressed out but money rant is only a symptom and there're deeper resentment / worries, perhaps towards work and colleagues, and more likely towards himself. £50k isn't really that much after tax, let alone supporting four people in the household.

OP herself seems to be struggling with her mental health as well, which might also explain the struggle she experiences at home and in the job market. If possible I'd advice OP and husband to seek individual and couple counselling.

aintnothinbutagstring · 23/08/2018 09:59

glint, actually loads of people have said she should get a better paid full time job since she has a fine arts degree Hmm Nothing wrong with a fine arts degree of course, I nearly did one myself but it wouldn't have been for the money! Yes her children are older but she has said one has MH issues so probably doesn't feel like it is the right time to work FT.

Excited0803 · 23/08/2018 09:59

@xmasbaby11 - so DH can't "announce suddenly that he wants a major change", then how can he ever have a change? I haven't signed up to have a static life with my partner; as things change we will change what we do. If one of us doesn't like what's happening then we should say so, as suddenly as we feel it. Or is DH only allowed a change when DW wants it? How ridiculous.

ferntwist · 23/08/2018 09:59

I don’t think OP’s husband is being reasonable, particularly not in the way he has gone about this. It’s quite bullying. OP already supports him earning £50K by doing everything at home.

RoadToRivendell · 23/08/2018 09:59

For all of you who are saying I can't believe they can't manage on 58K! We earn far less! - you're really missing the point.

Some people are aspirational, and it's not for you to chide them and tell them to be grateful for what they've got. Whatever their income is, their lifestyles will have expanded to match it, and it's terribly unwise to enter middle age with no savings.

It's not unreasonable to measure what your partner brings to the pot against that which they're capable of. So, if for example the OP were a carer who earns 18K a year working full-time or near enough - this conversation would be pretty bloody unreasonable.

But the OP's husband married a university grad with a fine arts degree trained as a teacher. There is no earthly reason she can't make £35K, apart from the fact that she does not want to.

The housekeeping is a red herring. We have no idea what the OP's husband would do if the OP returned to work in earnest, because she has been the one with all the free time for the entirety of their parenthood, if not the entirety of their marriage. This is merely an assumption that conveniently dovetails with the OP's interest in working part-time in a low-paid, low-stress job.

ElspethFlashman · 23/08/2018 10:01

Oh OP has hidden this thread about 10 pages ago.

Don't blame her, it's always shit when it's a pile on. I don't really support her uncompromising attitude to rejecting any change, but it's not nice to have a massive MN thread with hundreds of people tell you you're crap.

Abra1de · 23/08/2018 10:01

ScottyTotty2

If you could do private tutoring you could charge £20 an hour and get cash in hand smile

Yeah, tax evasions is a good idea.

SpandexTutu · 23/08/2018 10:03

Surely the title of the thread says it all?
To work full time to fund DHs preferred lifestyle?

OP's DH has been working FT for years to fund her preferred lifestyle, but she seems to have missed that point entirely.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 23/08/2018 10:03

Only read up to page 7 but OP, I think your DH has a point.

There is absolutely no reason at all why at this stage of your children’s life why you shouldn’t up your hours or switch to full time. Your kids are the same age as mine and mine take themselves off to school every day on the bus and come home and let themselves in, get themselves snacks etc till I Or DH get in from work.

I don’t work most of the school holidays but If I do have to, they either stay at home (I leave them a packed lunch), or they come with me to work and help out, or they go to my mum’s or my sisters. There are no holiday childcare schemes for year 9s and above and there is a reason for that!!

I understand the worry about not being there for an anxious child. My youngest also had anxiety this year settling into secondary school but he was on the end of the phone and when I was at home in the evenings I spent lots of time talking to him. If I’d been at home during the day I think this would have made him less likely to just “get on with it” and I think he would have pushed to stay at home, which would have been a bad move.

Re: housework. You need to sit down with your DH with a list of chores. Show him the ones you do and explain that when you go back full time he will have to do half, which ones does he want to do? Also explain the realities of HIM having to take a day off if one of the kids is ill or something and ask if that will fit in with his employment as it won’t necessaeiky fit in with yours.

It’s not to point out the negatives of you working, but the realities. He may not even have considered them. It’s all very well saying “he won’t do anything in the house” while you are in the situation you’re in now, because this is the status quo and why the hell should he at the moment?

When you are working FT then he will have no choice but to do stuff, like many many other working families. If he doesn’t cook, he doesn’t eat, If he doesn’t shop, there will be no food to cook, if he doesn’t do washing he’ll soon realise when he has run out of clean undies and shirts!

He has effectively been spoilt in that way all these years and will need a period of readjustment back to reality. As will you - you have been cosseted at home all these years without the reality of having to provide anything financially.

I speak from experience. Didn’t work at all for 3 years, then worked one day a week at the weekend when youngest was one (that was DH’s biggest eye opener!), then 10 hours then 25 and now full time.

Each time I went up a bit DH pulled a face when he realised it would have some (even minor) impact on his previous state of being. But he got used to it. Although I do get an occasional grumble when he is stressed and say, school rings him saying DS is ill and needs collecting. I am so much nearer school and it’s much easier for me to get away but Achool doesn’t always ring my land line and if I don’t near my mobile then they automatically phone him. Rather than ring my landline and speak to me he’ll then huff and puff about how he’ll have to leave work and interrupt what he was doing in work etc etc. I just laugh at him and tell him he could have rung and asked me to do it.

You just ignore the silly grumbles. You need to give him a CHANCE to change/increase his housework jobs and you can only do that by actually not being there yourself to do them, by being at work instead!

Electrack · 23/08/2018 10:03

Elspeth it was posted in AIBU....

ElspethFlashman · 23/08/2018 10:05

Yeah actually I see your point. But maybe some people don't really realise what AIBU is like? I didn't, for ages.

Childrenofthesun · 23/08/2018 10:09

£50k isn't really that much after tax, let alone supporting four people in the household.

Eh? 50k is a good salary, nearly twice the national average. DH and I are both teachers and neither of us could earn over 50k unless we became heads. We live a perfectly good life in the SE on a household income of £60k.

Electrack · 23/08/2018 10:10

True Elspeth, it does seem to get the most traffic so may be people’s first port of call. A pp did suggest op may want to get the thread moved

SpandexTutu · 23/08/2018 10:10

I'm guessing OP was expecting to hear things like:

Oh your poor thing.

Of course your DH should provide for you.
You can't possibly work full time with 2 teenage children.
How could you be expected to cope with the stress of a FT job and 'running the home'?
Your personal job satisfaction is so much more important than money.
Your DH should have taken that promotion so you could stay in your nice job.

And so on.....

Momo27 · 23/08/2018 10:11

Elspeth - trying to make people feel crap is plain nasty I agree. And pointless, because if anything it’s going to make the OP feel justified to continue as she is because she’ll feel anyone who disagrees is just being horrid

But actually quite a lot of us aren’t being horrid at all. We’re rationally explaining why from the dh’s perspective this is no longer a reasonable balance. He is feeling stressed, and with kids approaching university age it’s going to get worse. Their family income may seem good overall, but when you start contributing 300/400 a month (or double that if 2 children overlapping at uni) then it’s a different picture

And It’s not just a matter of the actual money brought in anyway. It’s a case of balancing things so that each partner is contributing in line with their abilities and skills. The OP is a graduate, she has a professional qualification and even if she doesn’t want to use it in the classroom there are loads of other directions she could go in. To remain working just 20 hours a week earning very little because ‘I’m happy doing it’ is hardly fair when her dh is telling her he isnt happy. This isn’t a one-off either. He has been telling her over a period of time that he feels like this.

They need to sort out a way forward which is fair for both. Or remain as they are which probably won’t make their future a very happy place to be.

Childrenofthesun · 23/08/2018 10:11

Sorry, should have said that that is also for a household of 4, plus supporting DSS at university.

SlothSlothSloth · 23/08/2018 10:12

Struggling on a joint salary of £58k? Ridiculous.

Momo27 · 23/08/2018 10:14

(Sigh)

It’s not that they are struggling on 58k.
It’s that he is struggling earning 50k of that while she’s happy earning 8k

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 23/08/2018 10:15

Great posts Momo

Snog · 23/08/2018 10:16

My friends with fine art degrees run children's art clubs after school and do 1:1 children's lessons. There is a big demand and it's lucrative. Could you do this as well as your current job?

CurlyhairedAssassin · 23/08/2018 10:17

I really don’t think some women who don’t work/only work very past time GET it, the pressure of finances. We got an extension done a few years ago when I was doing 25 hours and the cost of it was added to our mortgage. It was then my responsibility to pay all the extra (DH had always paid the main part). I suddenly totally understood the pressure. If we lost my income DH didn’t have the extra to find the extension payments. Before that my income just bought us stuff which were nice to have like weekends away and nicer holidays abroad. Suddenly my income became vitally important, our house was at risk if I didn’t pay my share, and when redundancies came up at work it was terrifying and it was a total lightbulb moment for me. All those years DH had shouldered that financial burden on his own. I finally got it.

I really think a lot of SAHPs don’t appreciate this if they have never been in that position. Why would you?

My SIL was like OP. just looking for “nice” jobs only a few hours a week while her DH worked massive amounts of overtime to fund the lifestyle she thought they should have as a family. He also stepped up at home and she farmed the kids out a lot to her inlaws so she could have the “me time” she thought she so deserved because it was so “stressful” looking Aftwe kids and house day.

Well, now they are divorcing after she was unfaithful and she has STILL not changed her attitude. Has just got a job at 9 hours per week and seems to think that will magically be enough for her to set up Home with the kids on her own as benefits and child maintenance will fund the rest. I’m sure she will “get it” very soon when financial realities set in but my guess is she will run to family or her ex looking for more money rather than try to support herself better.

PanGalaticGargleBlaster · 23/08/2018 10:19

Also, a lot of people focusing on the DHs foreign holidays and new cars statement assuming its a desire for some brand new BMW and a 5* holiday in the Seychelles. It could well just mean a modest package holiday in Spain and upgrading the existing ancient car to a more reliable 2nd hand runabout.

slowrun · 23/08/2018 10:19

We’re rationally explaining why from the dh’s perspective this is no longer a reasonable balance.

No, you are not because the DH is not being rational.

Their combined income is plenty to have a good quality of life. He is addicted to frittering money away. Stamping his foot because he feels entitled to spend whatever he wants without even attempting to budget simply because he has a professional occupation and salary. With the link a pp poster made, to a previous thread, it sounds like he is just as entitled concerning their physical relationship.

Even more money coming would not solve the problem of his attitude. Very few people could earn enough money to solve that...