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AIBU to think there is something seriously dodgy about the house?

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WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 22:02

Name changed as this is soooooooo outing...

I’m a first time buyer and viewed a property today on a development that is less than 20 years old. There have been several houses recently sold on the development and a few more still for sale, it’s a nice area popular with naice families and retired folks.

The house I viewed today has been on the market for a long time and is vacant and appears to have been vacant for quite some time. It is on the market with three estate agent and has three boards outside it. It is realistically priced and needs nothing at all major doing to it (except a significant area of carpet replaced which I’ll explain later). It’s probably even up for less than market value since all the bedrooms have high spec good quality fitted furniture and nice made to measure curtains and blinds unlike other houses in the development that are up for £10k more.

On looking at the history of the house, it was bought over a year ago and put back on the market for less than it was bought for under 5 months later. The Estate Agent said that it’s in the hands of a company and also, curiously a small but still significantish amount of the deposit is already paid if we wished to buy?!

Upon viewing today there was a huge mound of mail behind the door, indicating there have been no viewings in a couple of months. An almost identical house two doors away is STC since last Thursday as is one round the corner. The house was immaculate apart from spiders/daddylong legs and the odd cobweb. It had definitely had a very deep clean at some point. It looked like it had been decorated at the time it was last bought back in 2017 but not in the way you would if you were turning around for a quick sale.... ie not typically neutral shades like magnolia etc but two rooms had new glitter feature walls and the lounge had quite ornate, pretty new wall paper on and the kitchen had quite distinctive but lovely new tiles. It really seemed like someone had made a personal choice based on what they wanted, if that makes sense rather than thinking about the rental markers or keeping things neutral for a quick sale. We’ve viewed other homes in the development and this one was much more nicely decorated, even than those that have recently sold there for more than the asking price of this one.

So here is where it starts to get creepy...

Throughout the majority of the house the carpet was cream and was one of the only things that needed replaced as it was quite old. In the lounge there was a thick, darker coloured carpet that was brand new and, from the pile, it was clear no-one has lived in there and there has been no furniture on it since the carpet was installed. The stairs of the house are in the lounge and have the same new carpet. Everywhere else, it’s still the old cream stuff.

The person I was viewing with opened the cupboard under the stairs and my first thought was, “how odd! A random red carpet under the stairs, why didn’t they just continue the new lounge carpet in there?” and then the person I with went pale and said to the EA “Excuse me, that’s not blood is it?!” At that point I looked right into the cupboard and saw that, in fact, the old cream carpet was in there and there was a HUGE round blood like stain, maybe 45cm diameter, in the cupboard under the stairs, right up to where it joins with the newly replaced carpet in the lounge. The EA sort of laughed it off and said “noooo I’m sure it’s not blood!” but we later looked in the cupboard again before leaving and studied it carefully and it definitely wasn’t anything like red wine or paint or anything obvious, it really did look like a pool of blood.

The garden was really big and over grown and we decided to walk to the bottom of it as there was a gate at the end and we weren’t sure where it led. When we got to the fence at the bottom of the garden there were about five peeping tom holes cut into it!!! They were round, about the size of a 10p piece and at various different “eye level” heights.

I know it’s going to sound weird but before I saw these two things (the possible blood and peepholes) I felt as though the house “felt sad”. I know that sounds really woo but that’s the only way I could describe it. I suppose a lot of long term vacant houses feel a bit like that because they aren’t lived in.

A couple of friends think I’ve just got a very vivid imagination and that the pictures online are gorgeous and I should put an offer in but I feel really uneasy about it. They’ve pointed out, and I sort of agree, that if it is a blood stain in the cupboard, the owners would have replaced the carpet to hide it. But even taking out the possible blood stain...would you think that the other circumstances are a bit too dodgy to consider putting an offer in?

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littledinaco · 21/08/2018 23:07

My grandmother lived on a very sought after small road for over 40 years. All of the houses were lived in long term, usually at the very least 10+ years, except one house which was sold every year or so. Probably just a conincidence but really weird. It was like no one could ever settle there and they were the type of ‘forever houses’ not first time buyer places or where you would buy and move on quickly.

When I first read the carpet, I assumed it had been replaced in a rush or the person wasn’t living there so the carpetfitters just did up to the cupboard and no one thought/was there to check.
Can you knock at the neighbours who the spy holes back onto?

CottonSock · 21/08/2018 23:07

Sounds like a repossession maybe.

WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 23:10

Wingingwonder - I like that tactic!

I might book a viewing with another agent and say gravely, “I understand this property comes with quite the history...”

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Mouikey · 21/08/2018 23:10

Apologies if I’ve missed this whilst reading through the posts, but all sales of houses must be registered these days so if it was purchased a year or so ago it should come up. There is a way of searching by map so that maybe a better option - certainly worth the nominal cost.

Also ask the estate agent outright and they should be obliged to say - I only say this because we viewed a house and I noticed that the front letter box had been permanently closed up and the hallway had been recently painted. I asked why and the EA said that given I had directly asked he was obliged to tell me and then explained about angry ex boyfriend of the seller. He didn’t say what had happened but it wasn’t dog poo through the letterbox and the ceiling had been repainted in a weird way. He also was surprised I had spotted it.

AcrossthePond55 · 21/08/2018 23:10

Don't know about the stain, but perhaps it's in the hands of a company because the owner defaulted on the mortgage? Or the owner died and the heirs didn't keep up the payments?

A place simply being a 'murder house' wouldn't bother me if I liked the property (unless it was a notorious one that drew ghoulish looky-loos). But if I truly felt a property had a negative vibe, I wouldn't buy it even if the previous owner was Little Mary Sunshine.

RachelAnneJ · 21/08/2018 23:15

It could be in the hands of a company because the previous owner p/x'd it and bought a new build. The new build developer would now be selling the house (and possibly offering a deposit paid to get it off their books).

I would still ask a neighbour what they knew though.

WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 23:17

Shesabelter because the EA could easily be on Mumsnet and some of my friends who I’ve spoken to today about the house are definitely on Mumsnet 😂.

I can see how I’d come across as over dramatic and, yes, I do have an overactive imagination. It serves me well in some ways, but in house hunting clearly it could become an issue. That being said, I do believe in going with your gut and perhaps, as others have suggested, I should leave this property for another buyer and go for somewhere I find more comfortable.

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WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 23:23

Mouikey, is that with the Land Registry because I’ve checked and the property doesn’t seem to be listed at all? I can see details online on several property websites of when the property was last sold but obviously it doesn’t say who bought it.

Thanks also re the info about asking the EA directly. Sounds like you were very observant!

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rosablue · 21/08/2018 23:23

If it's been empty that long then if your discussions with neighbours (also is there a pub nearby or local corner shop that might know something?) then there's a good chance that you could make a really cheeky offer.

Also remember to sigh at the glittery wallpaper and point out how tricky it is to remove to put something up to your own taste, that it can't just be painted over and will probably need the walls relining... ditto the cleaning of the carpet 'blood' patch and so on with other 'features' in the house, regardless of whether or not you like them (assuming they are not going to be there to do any changes and obviously not for things that they might take away) to help knock the price down further.

If it has changed hands several times in quick succession and not been sold for a while, they might accept a cheeky offer (or at least use it as a starting point for negotiation) which they wouldn't have done when they put it on the market...

keyboardkate · 21/08/2018 23:26

Dried blood is not red anymore.

Back to the drawing board.

AcrossthePond55 · 21/08/2018 23:27

Another reason for short term ownership could be that someone bought it as a flipper

EdisonLightBulb · 21/08/2018 23:28

I think it had a suicide.

I know of two over the last 5 years in completely different and very saleable areas. One took about two years to sell, and went cheap, the other is still for sale 18 months later.

WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 23:35

Edison, that’s my gut instinct to be totally honest but I don’t know if I’m influenced by personal circumstances. Can’t go into too much but, I can see why a house with certain circumstances attached to it would struggle to be sold and especially if the manner was violent and neighbours were aware etc.

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Ruleof4 · 21/08/2018 23:35

I wouldn't buy it. The fact that you have written all of that out and kept going is enough to convince me you don't really think you should either. That's my guy instinct and having recently viewed properties I've never fully justified to my OH if I haven't 'felt' right in it just moved on to the next one.

CrossFlannelCherry · 21/08/2018 23:39

Did the EA offer an explanation as to why the house has been on the market for so long, given it is valued below market value? There must be a reason.

WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 23:45

Thanks Rule, funnily enough all of us had the weird feel about the house including a very stoic, non woo person who didn’t even see the stain so maybe there’s just something generally off. Putting my logical head on, there are other very sensible reasons to hold off for another property as it doesn’t tick every box (and couldn’t due to planning restrictions). It could potentially be a bargain and I was advised by the EA that a cheeky offer could well be accepted given how long it’s been on the market. But it’s not a bargain if I’d feel uneasy living there so best let it slide.

I’ll still do a bit of asking around though as I am viewing other nearby houses and report back if I find out the history.

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hmcAsWas · 21/08/2018 23:55

It may be nothing untoward happened there at all - doesn't matter, what does matter is that the house felt wrong to you. Great on paper, aesthetically pleasing but it felt 'sad' you say. I've felt a similar heavy, depressive feeling when looking at a house and rejected it on that basis. Its fine to be in tune with you feelings and make decision on that basis. I may well be a bit woo, but I do think houses take on the energy of the people who have lived in them

daffodillament · 21/08/2018 23:57

Your user name is great ! Maybe you could get the patio checked out for any bodies lurking beneath...eeeeeek ! Grin

1happyhippie · 22/08/2018 00:01

It doesn't sound like the house is for you op, regardless of anything happening there. If you don't feel it's right for you, just keep looking.

Now, if you are no longer interested in the house, you can provide us with a lovely link to the listing. You know, just so we can play detective for a bit 😂😂 thank you

GlacierMints · 22/08/2018 00:08

A suicide isn't likely to leave blood in a cupboard under the stairs is it?

If you have weird feeling about it OP, I think that's enough to mean it's not for you.

WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 22/08/2018 00:11

Daffodil lol the username was picked as when I stepped outside onto the decking I remembered what happened in Brookside 😂.

Well guys, I think I may have solved it.

The street that the house is in is really tiny, off the main development, only 5 houses in a particular stretch. That stretch comes up on the crime map just slightly after it was put on the market, once for a violent or sexual crime and then exact same spot the following month for criminal damage or arson. Thinking it could be a case of domestic violence.

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SpoonBlender · 22/08/2018 00:21

Got to join in with the "not blood" crowd. Having seen two/three day old puddles of definitely human blood on cream carpets, it's brown/black. No red in it at all until you're trying to wash it out and wet it again.

VanGoghsDog · 22/08/2018 00:39

is that with the Land Registry because I’ve checked and the property doesn’t seem to be listed at all?

Yes, it will be on there, you must have the wrong post code or something. It's £3 for the deed, but they don't show everything these days.

I downloaded the one for my old house last night in fact to check the ex had taken me off it, it shows the original developer, the first buyer, then him in 2017, It does not show the second buyer nor where he and I bought it together in 2013.

So, I doubt it will be a lot of use other than showing who owns it now.

TwoBlueShoes · 22/08/2018 00:41

A house is just bricks and mortar. Any creepy vibe is all in our minds. I wouldn't hesitate to buy it. It's probably the decor that's putting people off.

TwoBlueShoes · 22/08/2018 00:43

Unless the house is in Brookside Close, because I think statistically that was one of the most dangerous places to live in the world. 😆