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AIBU to think there is something seriously dodgy about the house?

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WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 22:02

Name changed as this is soooooooo outing...

I’m a first time buyer and viewed a property today on a development that is less than 20 years old. There have been several houses recently sold on the development and a few more still for sale, it’s a nice area popular with naice families and retired folks.

The house I viewed today has been on the market for a long time and is vacant and appears to have been vacant for quite some time. It is on the market with three estate agent and has three boards outside it. It is realistically priced and needs nothing at all major doing to it (except a significant area of carpet replaced which I’ll explain later). It’s probably even up for less than market value since all the bedrooms have high spec good quality fitted furniture and nice made to measure curtains and blinds unlike other houses in the development that are up for £10k more.

On looking at the history of the house, it was bought over a year ago and put back on the market for less than it was bought for under 5 months later. The Estate Agent said that it’s in the hands of a company and also, curiously a small but still significantish amount of the deposit is already paid if we wished to buy?!

Upon viewing today there was a huge mound of mail behind the door, indicating there have been no viewings in a couple of months. An almost identical house two doors away is STC since last Thursday as is one round the corner. The house was immaculate apart from spiders/daddylong legs and the odd cobweb. It had definitely had a very deep clean at some point. It looked like it had been decorated at the time it was last bought back in 2017 but not in the way you would if you were turning around for a quick sale.... ie not typically neutral shades like magnolia etc but two rooms had new glitter feature walls and the lounge had quite ornate, pretty new wall paper on and the kitchen had quite distinctive but lovely new tiles. It really seemed like someone had made a personal choice based on what they wanted, if that makes sense rather than thinking about the rental markers or keeping things neutral for a quick sale. We’ve viewed other homes in the development and this one was much more nicely decorated, even than those that have recently sold there for more than the asking price of this one.

So here is where it starts to get creepy...

Throughout the majority of the house the carpet was cream and was one of the only things that needed replaced as it was quite old. In the lounge there was a thick, darker coloured carpet that was brand new and, from the pile, it was clear no-one has lived in there and there has been no furniture on it since the carpet was installed. The stairs of the house are in the lounge and have the same new carpet. Everywhere else, it’s still the old cream stuff.

The person I was viewing with opened the cupboard under the stairs and my first thought was, “how odd! A random red carpet under the stairs, why didn’t they just continue the new lounge carpet in there?” and then the person I with went pale and said to the EA “Excuse me, that’s not blood is it?!” At that point I looked right into the cupboard and saw that, in fact, the old cream carpet was in there and there was a HUGE round blood like stain, maybe 45cm diameter, in the cupboard under the stairs, right up to where it joins with the newly replaced carpet in the lounge. The EA sort of laughed it off and said “noooo I’m sure it’s not blood!” but we later looked in the cupboard again before leaving and studied it carefully and it definitely wasn’t anything like red wine or paint or anything obvious, it really did look like a pool of blood.

The garden was really big and over grown and we decided to walk to the bottom of it as there was a gate at the end and we weren’t sure where it led. When we got to the fence at the bottom of the garden there were about five peeping tom holes cut into it!!! They were round, about the size of a 10p piece and at various different “eye level” heights.

I know it’s going to sound weird but before I saw these two things (the possible blood and peepholes) I felt as though the house “felt sad”. I know that sounds really woo but that’s the only way I could describe it. I suppose a lot of long term vacant houses feel a bit like that because they aren’t lived in.

A couple of friends think I’ve just got a very vivid imagination and that the pictures online are gorgeous and I should put an offer in but I feel really uneasy about it. They’ve pointed out, and I sort of agree, that if it is a blood stain in the cupboard, the owners would have replaced the carpet to hide it. But even taking out the possible blood stain...would you think that the other circumstances are a bit too dodgy to consider putting an offer in?

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WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 22:20

Vivid imagination and anxious nature, that’s me to a tee! That being said I currently live in a very old house that someone died in and has been quite a sad house and have previously lived in other houses where people died, including one that about a dozen people have claimed to have seen a ghost in (I haven’t though) and I’ve been fine with that. I think it’s more that if someone met a violent end there I’d struggle to settle or especially if it was something like suicide due to my own personal issues around that.

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zebrapig · 21/08/2018 22:22

If it bothers you don't buy it! The old lady that lived in our house before us died in the house, we knew that when we bought it (can't remember how we found out, but the estate agent definitely told us it was a probate sale). We spent about 3 years thinking she'd died in our bedroom, due to some very unsavoury stains on the carpet but then we found out from a neighbour that she'd died sat in a chair in the kitchen. We later realised my Dad had sat in that chair before we cleared the house! It's never bothered me though, I very rarely think about it any more.

WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 22:24

10StoreyLoveSong...yes I am!

Also, being more outing...the person I was viewing with was a nurse and I have some Care experience, it was the colour of old blood (rusty/browny red not bright letterbox red).

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Sarahplane · 21/08/2018 22:25

That does sound wierd. Could you try asking the neighbours?

WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 22:28

I think you are all right, I should just ask the neighbours. There’s an older man who is always busy in his garden a few doors down and I reckon he’d know everything that goes on round there.

All that aside, is there any reason anyone could think of as to why part of the deposit is already paid? I’ve googled but can’t see any precedent for this?

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Maursh · 21/08/2018 22:29

from what you have described I would be more concerned that the management fees for running the estate are private and exorbitant or it is leasehold

ScattyCharly · 21/08/2018 22:30

Ask neighbours or people living around there. If there are a lot of retired folk there, surely you’ll find some curtain twitchers to dish the dirt.

Lucisky · 21/08/2018 22:31

If it is blood, it doesn't necessarily mean there was a murder, it just means someone (or something!) has bled on the carpet. Or it could have been something that was spilt when the previous owners were moving out. If it is going to freak you out, don't buy it, but it does sound like a good buy.

ScattyCharly · 21/08/2018 22:31

Oh and any estate agent’s priority is a sale. I have found EAs to be shady as fuck. I wouldn’t bother asking them.

FarrahMoan · 21/08/2018 22:32

Our house was on with three agents because we were using a scheme offered by the builder of our new home. Although I'm not sure that's relevant if your murder house is owned by a company (unless the company is the builder/developer?).
What was behind the fence at the end of the garden?
Surely if something had happened it would show up on Google?

10storeylovesong · 21/08/2018 22:32

Are you Wilmslow way?

needyourlovingtouch · 21/08/2018 22:32

You need to ask the neighbours. Also ask the estate agent - what's the history and why is part of deposit being paid. Tell them you want honesty.

WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 22:32

Some of the houses in the area are (long) leasehold but that particular property is freehold Maursh. Management fees are pretty reasonable.

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snoopydogg · 21/08/2018 22:34

Or just post a rightmove link and we will do the detective work!

FarrahMoan · 21/08/2018 22:34

If it was a part exchange a new build developer might offer to pay part of the deposit to be rid of it

Rachie1986 · 21/08/2018 22:35

It does sound a bit odd!
I'd ask the neighbours, and ask the EA about the deposit paid - why is that the case etc.

Hope you get to the bottom of it (a d let us know!)

Dollymixture22 · 21/08/2018 22:36

I have never really understood the vendor gifted deposit thing. Most lenders won’t count it as part of your deposit, so why not just reduce the asking price. There must be more to it than that and I am sure someone can explain.

If the house is realistically priced but is sitting there will be a reason - a structural or boundary issue that flags on a survey maybe. You could pick up a bargain if you want it - but you need to figure out what is stalling th sale and adjust any offer accordingly.

It’s probably not a murder. Holes in fence might have a very logical explanation.

SoupDragon · 21/08/2018 22:36

It had definitely had a very deep clean at some point

And you think they forgot to replace the blood stained carpet under the stairs despite the new carpet elsewhere...? Really?

Dapplegrey · 21/08/2018 22:36

Read a story by Elizabeth Bowen called The Cat Jumps. It's about a house like you describe.

Saracen · 21/08/2018 22:37

I don't think it matters what the actual history of the house is. You felt the house to be "sad" even before finding some possibly dodgy stuff. For that reason alone, you will never be able to live happily there. Why bother trying to overcome your feelings?

The history of the house, if it is an unhappy history, wouldn't bother some buyers. Let them move in. You deserve to live somewhere that doesn't give you the creeps.

Bighouseinthesticks · 21/08/2018 22:39

I wouldn't buy it if you get a bad feeling from the house even if it is a good deal. I tend to go with my gut on houses and it seems your gut is saying don't do it!

TSSDNCOP · 21/08/2018 22:40

I agree with a PP.

You'll find everything you need to know before you've opened your crisps in the local pub.

WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 22:40

Yep, definitely going to ask neighbours anyway.

10Storey, no different county to Wilmslow but intrigued (is there another murder house?!)

Joking aside, I don’t think there has been a murder there as, as others have pointed out, there would be some sort of report in the local news. I think it’s more likely there was an accident or something. I know this is going to make my vivid imagination sound ten times worse but I was with someone who fell and cracked their head open in my lounge and the pattern, amount and colour of the stain looked very similar. It is just really odd it’s right at the edge of the cupboard under the stairs!

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OurMiracle1106 · 21/08/2018 22:41

I would google for any crimes in the area but they might not come up. If it’s under the stairs it could be something really simple like decking/flooring stain or even actual rust from a tin of paint etc and is probably nothing major. The living room and stair carpets probably got dirty over time so were replaced to sell the property and the others left as they were salvageable and the owners didn’t want to spend money on it.

My mum died at home. I was also born in that house (wonders if a baby was born there would explain that kind of amount of blood too)

It could also have been an injured animal laid there or a cat given birth under the stairs. Even IF it is blood doesn’t necessarily have to be a nasty incident.

SnowWhitesRestingBitchFace · 21/08/2018 22:42

This is pretty much the first series of America Horror story (aka Murder House).

This won't end well. Don't buy the bloody house!

I also have a vivid imagination but I don't think that's relevant Grin

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