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AIBU to think there is something seriously dodgy about the house?

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WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 22:02

Name changed as this is soooooooo outing...

I’m a first time buyer and viewed a property today on a development that is less than 20 years old. There have been several houses recently sold on the development and a few more still for sale, it’s a nice area popular with naice families and retired folks.

The house I viewed today has been on the market for a long time and is vacant and appears to have been vacant for quite some time. It is on the market with three estate agent and has three boards outside it. It is realistically priced and needs nothing at all major doing to it (except a significant area of carpet replaced which I’ll explain later). It’s probably even up for less than market value since all the bedrooms have high spec good quality fitted furniture and nice made to measure curtains and blinds unlike other houses in the development that are up for £10k more.

On looking at the history of the house, it was bought over a year ago and put back on the market for less than it was bought for under 5 months later. The Estate Agent said that it’s in the hands of a company and also, curiously a small but still significantish amount of the deposit is already paid if we wished to buy?!

Upon viewing today there was a huge mound of mail behind the door, indicating there have been no viewings in a couple of months. An almost identical house two doors away is STC since last Thursday as is one round the corner. The house was immaculate apart from spiders/daddylong legs and the odd cobweb. It had definitely had a very deep clean at some point. It looked like it had been decorated at the time it was last bought back in 2017 but not in the way you would if you were turning around for a quick sale.... ie not typically neutral shades like magnolia etc but two rooms had new glitter feature walls and the lounge had quite ornate, pretty new wall paper on and the kitchen had quite distinctive but lovely new tiles. It really seemed like someone had made a personal choice based on what they wanted, if that makes sense rather than thinking about the rental markers or keeping things neutral for a quick sale. We’ve viewed other homes in the development and this one was much more nicely decorated, even than those that have recently sold there for more than the asking price of this one.

So here is where it starts to get creepy...

Throughout the majority of the house the carpet was cream and was one of the only things that needed replaced as it was quite old. In the lounge there was a thick, darker coloured carpet that was brand new and, from the pile, it was clear no-one has lived in there and there has been no furniture on it since the carpet was installed. The stairs of the house are in the lounge and have the same new carpet. Everywhere else, it’s still the old cream stuff.

The person I was viewing with opened the cupboard under the stairs and my first thought was, “how odd! A random red carpet under the stairs, why didn’t they just continue the new lounge carpet in there?” and then the person I with went pale and said to the EA “Excuse me, that’s not blood is it?!” At that point I looked right into the cupboard and saw that, in fact, the old cream carpet was in there and there was a HUGE round blood like stain, maybe 45cm diameter, in the cupboard under the stairs, right up to where it joins with the newly replaced carpet in the lounge. The EA sort of laughed it off and said “noooo I’m sure it’s not blood!” but we later looked in the cupboard again before leaving and studied it carefully and it definitely wasn’t anything like red wine or paint or anything obvious, it really did look like a pool of blood.

The garden was really big and over grown and we decided to walk to the bottom of it as there was a gate at the end and we weren’t sure where it led. When we got to the fence at the bottom of the garden there were about five peeping tom holes cut into it!!! They were round, about the size of a 10p piece and at various different “eye level” heights.

I know it’s going to sound weird but before I saw these two things (the possible blood and peepholes) I felt as though the house “felt sad”. I know that sounds really woo but that’s the only way I could describe it. I suppose a lot of long term vacant houses feel a bit like that because they aren’t lived in.

A couple of friends think I’ve just got a very vivid imagination and that the pictures online are gorgeous and I should put an offer in but I feel really uneasy about it. They’ve pointed out, and I sort of agree, that if it is a blood stain in the cupboard, the owners would have replaced the carpet to hide it. But even taking out the possible blood stain...would you think that the other circumstances are a bit too dodgy to consider putting an offer in?

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10storeylovesong · 21/08/2018 22:43

Ah I know of a murder house which matches those dates where the victim was hidden under the stairs. Glad it’s not that one!

Sandstormbrewing · 21/08/2018 22:44

Grab yourself a bargain and crack on I say!

WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 22:46

My gut is saying don’t do it and I suppose I’m trying to override my gut. It’s been on the market for ages and clearly not had a viewing recently so I’m sure a I could do my research and no one will have put an offer in in that time.

The “peepholes” were all in one area of the large fence (the middle of the garden), and would look into another neighbours garden. They had definitely been made, they were cut out rather than whorls in the wood and I’ve also viewed another 3 properties on the development with the same fencing and none of them had any holes.

I agree it’s bizarre that the place had been thoroughly cleaned and the carpet all replaced except that bit. Even if it’s not blood, it’s really offputting,

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JoffreyBaratheon · 21/08/2018 22:47

Neighbours might not tell you. I once had a conversation with someone who lived near a murder house in the next village, who said no-one said a word to the folk who bought it (because they weren't from round here, so tough luck kinda thing...)

Oddly, there are three murder houses to my knowledge in that very small village and it's not Midsommer. But that's three murders between the 1960s and now...

A woman just bought next door and we haven't told her that our old neighbour died less than 18 mths ago in the front bedroom (he was only in his 50s as well). I don't think I will ever tell her unless she outright asks.

FlatPackFurnitureCompAnyone · 21/08/2018 22:47

I think it’s more likely there was an accident or something

I was thinking something horrible like carbon monoxide.

Winegal · 21/08/2018 22:48

Have you checked the police crime maps? It will list any crimes on a road

AnnieAnoniMoose · 21/08/2018 22:50

You’d be great at writing short stories 😊

Whether it’s ‘creepy’ or not, there’s a reason for it being under priced and still not selling when others are.and you need to know what the reason is.

Ask the gardening neighbour, direct neighbours and keep searching local papers etc. Ask in any local shops, pubs, garages etc

Ask all 3 EAs.

JoffreyBaratheon · 21/08/2018 22:50

Forgot to say I often research Victorian - and older - crimes and have found out plenty of hair-raising stuff about picturesque cottages round here. There were some stunning mews cottages by a local church I always hankered after - til I read about someone murdering a baby (in the 19thC) and leaving its body in the coal hole under the stairs for a year or two before it was found... Whoever lives there now will be clueless. I also know of a couple of gory suicides from the 18thC and 19thC in some very picture postcard houses, nearby. One of these houses stood empty for years and was recently finally sold and done up and I now see a young couple in it. Never said owt to them though.

Maursh · 21/08/2018 22:50

I have never really understood the vendor gifted deposit thing. Most lenders won’t count it as part of your deposit, so why not just reduce the asking price. There must be more to it than that and I am sure someone can explain.

It is a trick developers use to keep house prices artificially high. The printed transaction price will be 200k despite you having only parted with 180k having had the deposit "paid". That print price will be used in all national statistics which will show house prices flat / rising rather than having dropped by 10% Hmm

FlatPackFurnitureCompAnyone · 21/08/2018 22:51

The “peepholes” were all in one area of the large fence (the middle of the garden), and would look into another neighbours garden.

It could have been the other neighbours that made them! ShockGrin

WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 22:52

Cat or dog birth could make sense!

I wouldn’t mind if I was living in a house where an elderly person died quite naturally as I’ve already lived in places like that but, as I say, a potentially violent death or tragic accident would spook me.

Would a developer offer part of the deposit on a nearly 20 year old house? I thought that was more of a new build thing,

Thanks everyone btw, you’ve made me feel more reassured that it’s not a murder house (and yes I’ve watched too much AHS!) and that when buying I need to not be as sensitive to atmospheres etc and be more level headed.

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Maursh · 21/08/2018 22:56

Would a developer offer part of the deposit on a nearly 20 year old house? I thought that was more of a new build thing

It's mostly used by developers but it's a tactic that could be used by any vested interested. Buy-to-let owner who owns other properties on the estate for example. Otherwise, as has been pointed out, why not just lower the price.

WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 22:58

Flat pack, I thought that about the other neighbours too! Carbon Monoxide briefly crossed my mind also 😔. Definitely would need more information.

Annie - I might already do that -andsometimesgetpaid- but this is one of those cases of the truth being stranger than fiction.

Winegal haven’t checked police maps but great idea!

Joffrey, I agree Victorian and older properties in general are fascinating.

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Polarbearflavour · 21/08/2018 22:58

Houses do have atmospheres and vibes though even if nobody was murdered there.

wonderstuff · 21/08/2018 22:59

A couple of older houses in my village are on with mulitple agents at a reasonable price because a developer bought them as part exchange properties (so the people who lived there are now living in new builds and the new build developer bought their old houses).

WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 22:59

Thanks for that info Maursh! I’m ridiculously green with this house buying but learning all of the sneaky tactics as I go along.

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SoupDragon · 21/08/2018 23:00

Would a developer offer part of the deposit on a nearly 20 year old house? I thought that was more of a new build thing,

If it’s in the hands of a company and has been on the market for a while, they probably want shot of it. Lowering the price would look suspicious too and I suppose having to save less money for a deposit is appealing to buyers.

3girlmama · 21/08/2018 23:00

If you get a sad feeling, don't buy it. I am a firm believer in going with your gut feeling and listening to how your instincts make you feel. X

tellyaddictanon · 21/08/2018 23:00

I need to know what the stain is! Hope you can update us OP!

Saggital · 21/08/2018 23:03

Would the EA be honest do you think?

Yes they never ever lie.

gonnabreakmyrustycage · 21/08/2018 23:03

Probably a couple who broke up and was keen to get rid of it even at a loss. I really wouldn’t care. The world is so old that we undoubtedly walk over graves and murder sites constantly.

WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 23:04

Wonderstuff, Part Exchange or even Shared Ownership is a good point, there are loads of newer developments going up all over town and the EA did say the property is in the hands of a company. It’s just the very short period of ownership before putting it on the market for a lower value I don’t get.

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WingingWonder · 21/08/2018 23:06

I’d ask out right, but in a playing agent off against each other (like they do...)
‘I was surprised at what had happened in the liunge’ (Technically not a lie- you’ve seen blood, suprising...

WatchedTooMuchBrookside · 21/08/2018 23:07

Also the area is very popular with renters and leaving a property vacant for such a long time seems a bit of a shame when it could be making a bit of money.

A break up soon after buying crossed my mind too. The newish decor did scream single young woman though (and sort of appealed to me 😂). Maybe they fell out over the glitter walls.

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ShesABelter · 21/08/2018 23:07

All sounds very over dramatic. I think you have an over active imagination. Why would you think this is very, very outing when no one even knows what area you are looking in?