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To think some posters are naive about SS?

999 replies

fudgeraisinbiscuit · 21/08/2018 10:29

I see many posts where people seem to believe either that SS will offer support and that parents who are loving and coping but struggling can contact them for a hand-hold, or posts where people believe a not ideal yet normal situation can and should be reported.

AIBU to think posters are naive about what SS actually do?

OP posts:
Tessliketrees · 25/08/2018 14:17

I think it's awful Ethel and probably caused untold anxiety and worry for her friend. That said I think it pales in comparison to the link I posted.

Any chance you'll tell me what you think the root of the problem is?

auntethel · 25/08/2018 14:19

optimus, no our case was never resolved and dc are now damaged adults. Waiting to go public but will have to wait until dc are strong enough (if ever). No matter how frustrated dh and I are, we have to think of dc first. Grrrr, feel like shouting it from the rooftops!Grin Tess is right, I am angry. I'll give them that oneSmile

optimusprimesmother · 25/08/2018 14:25

Auntie I’m sure you are. Did the kids ever receive some form of councilling and indeed yourself. I think I’d be very angry too.

How as adults do you think they get on with life now?

auntethel · 25/08/2018 14:25

I really don't know tess.

auntethel · 25/08/2018 14:30

Claw, quite similar to mine, using education and then progressed to other dc too. I think we were one of the first because Director of IPSEA actually thought they were bluffing.Flowers

auntethel · 25/08/2018 14:33

Better not say any more about dc for now optimus don't want them to be recognised. Thanks so much for your concern Flowers

auntethel · 25/08/2018 14:38

Claw loved your second timeline. Simple isn't it? Wonder why they couldn't do that? Just fucking why?!! Scuse my french

optimusprimesmother · 25/08/2018 14:40

ah of course Auntie !

auntethel · 25/08/2018 15:10

Lovely sunny day, going out for some fresh airSmile The local authority sympathisers seem to have gone quiet? Grin

optimusprimesmother · 25/08/2018 15:26

Enjoy Aunty!

Thehogfather · 25/08/2018 16:32

Thank you tess

aunt I think spanglys post is yet another example of why the system needs to change.

My own lived experience. Professional, wealthy family, dc physically well cared for, doing well at school, no indication of physical abuse etc. Siblings all wonderful mentally and behaviour wise. No history of mh or any other problem in parents.

One dc is different, has numerous traits and habits that indicate autism. Difficult behaviour, goes off alone, has meltdowns of a nature they can hurt themselves, bed wets, swings between over confident and extremely nervous, reads a lot with a good imagination. Having private psychiatric treatment instigated by parents. Reported because of some concerning things dc has said and done.

Ss did as so many of you suggest they should, and fucked right off.

Dc now early teens, reported again because of concerning statements they have made. Dc achieving highly at school but disruptive and the bane of the slt and many staff. Shows little empathy to peers, and according to head uses defending the odd vulnerable peer as an excuse to bully others. Does very well socially but no respect for authority. School back up lovely parents.

Dc self harming and still prone to violent meltdowns at home, often hurting themselves unwittingly. Still goes off without telling anyone, sometimes before dawn till late at night. Avoids communication with mother, shows no empathy for parents. Still under psychiatrist. Abnormal body language at home, very low self esteem. Obsessive interests and hobbies. Many traits still show autism.

Mother concerned and distraught, struggling to support challenging dc. Now has minor mh problems because of the stress caused by coping with dc. Other dc still perfectly well adjusted.

This dc has been proven to have lied on occasion, and is intelligent and charismatic when they want.

Dc is distraught at the idea of being taken away, and readily admits their behaviour and mental health is the problem.

Ss again back the fuck off, just like you all seem to think they should.

Except they got it wrong. Everything that child did was caused by emotional abuse from the oh so lovely trying their best parents. So forgive me if I'm not on board with the idea of ss backing the fuck off when there are concerns but parents appear naice.

And yet despite that, I don't feel any need to make assumptions about those parents who are wrongly accused, nor do I hold ss responsible for destroying my childhood.

The individual sw was incompetent, and like other professionals involved too easily swayed by respectability. More blame lies with all those enabling bystanders who didn't like to interfere, or worse still didn't think it was real abuse. But essentially it was my parents who did it.

There are hordes of adults who were failed like me, but I've yet to hear anyone suggest there was a conspiracy to allow abusive parents to continue. Or a widespread desire to assume the majority of parents are lying.

What I do object to is the misrepresentation of ss as widespread child snatchers, where blatant lies and mass cover ups are highly likely, because it puts people off contacting ss when they should.

auntethel · 25/08/2018 20:55

Don't believe your story the hog, there must be more to it?

auntethel · 25/08/2018 20:59

Of course I believe you, just wanted you to know how it feels for a few minutes. I feel sad for you and I sympathise because I'm a normal human being. Some sw's are not.

auntethel · 25/08/2018 21:18

It's not the same as the issues myself and others have posted. Claw has explained her ds situation and how it should have gone. Ds had an autism dx, was already receiving help and advice from sn agencies. Her sw took no notice of that, sided with the school and damaged that little boy. Mine was very similar but went even further, as far as she possibly could, thereby damaging other children too. Claw was doing everything right for ds, sw was doing everything wrong. Same with me. In fact, I always remember at the time dh saying, if anyone ever wanted to do the exact opposite of what our ds needed, she and the team leader succeeded in that.

goodgirls · 25/08/2018 21:24

The local authority sympathisers seem to have gone quiet?

yes its funny but the endless stream of paranoid rambling will deter even the most determined sensible folk eventually.

auntethel · 25/08/2018 21:36

This very evening I have been speaking on the phone to a friend and her dh who have moved to another country. Their first baby was removed at birth and adopted. They moved abroad and had another child. The ss in that country read all the horrendous fabricated UK reports, fully assessed the couple and guess what? No concerns. They now have another new baby, have learned the language and her dh has found work. Now I'm not suggesting anyone else does that but it has worked for them. They obviously have a deep sadness for the dc they've left behind but one day dc will hopefully seek them out and will be reunited. Shameful UK.

goodgirls · 25/08/2018 21:41

That really doesn't mean anything. No concerns now doesn't mean there weren't valid concerns then, or it could be that the SS in the new country haven't got all the facts and have made the wrong call.

Are you alleging that a perfectly good set of parents had their child removed for no reason? To be clear?

auntethel · 25/08/2018 21:43

The usual blah, blah, blah from ss in these cases is that time has moved on and the couple have probably changed what they were doing wrong. NO. The couple have changed nothing because they were doing nothing wrong. Their youngest dc has been completely and disgustingly failed in this 'oh so great' country of ours, just as baby P was, but in a completely different way.

auntethel · 25/08/2018 21:45

Oh, there you go? Someone beat me to it!

offupop · 25/08/2018 21:45

Surely this is not black and white. Some social workers do their very best to support a family and do what is best, others may be quick to make decisions which may not be best. The problem is a rogue social worker can be trusted too much when it comes to panel decisions.
They are over worked and understaffed from what I understand, and to have full insight into a family situation they need and other over seeing individuals within SS need to have more time on a case to truly assess.

I've seen involvement with a friend, and it was supportive but very long winded and she co-operated at every step. She had one social worker who was involved later in her case, that was very young (23), female and appeared very swayed by her attractive, narcassist abusing ex. That individual if involved from the start, may have meant her overall case/outcome was different.

goodgirls · 25/08/2018 21:46

their youngest has? By not being removed you mean?

Its clear that you have a massive agenda and grudge about SS, so its not like you are any kind of reliable judge of the "facts".

That didn't answer my question, btw. Are you alleging that a baby was removed from good parents for no reason at all? Or not? Is that a difficult question?

auntethel · 25/08/2018 21:49

No, I'm not alleging, I'm telling you. Furthermore, UK ss took great pleasure in sending the foreign ss all the shifty reports, so you can be sure nothing was left out. Clear enough?

auntethel · 25/08/2018 21:53

Seems you are hard of understanding? My apologies and sympathy.

goodgirls · 25/08/2018 21:55

No, you are alleging. Do you understand the word?

So you think that the SW's (multiple) and judge(s) just took a child away from a good home with no reason? Why did they do that? What for? Hundreds of man hours, a huge amount of money spent....what for?

What proof do you have the reports were "shifty" (whatever that means). Your friends say so? Of course they do, hardly going to admit to SS removing their child for real reasons are they?

Naveloranges · 25/08/2018 21:56

My only experience of SS is them doing very little to support my family. They were delighted when my parents took the children from their crack/heroin addicted parent. Utterly useless until that point; happy to leave two children under three at the mercy of a serious addict and all that goes with that.
Apologies to all the people working in social service; I am sure they are fantastic but the above is my personal story.