To think some posters are naive about SS?

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I see many posts where people seem to believe either that SS will offer support and that parents who are loving and coping but struggling can contact them for a hand-hold, or posts where people believe a not ideal yet normal situation can and should be reported.

AIBU to think posters are naive about what SS actually do?

The first section of the AIMS report relates to the posts from Christmas yesterday, as in the child protection process commencing from a complaint against the health visitor. AIMS confirm this is precisely what can happen.

I was wondering the same as a PP do SS not intervene if parents are educated, articulate and have acces to funds to defend themselves. Presumably CP isn’t just limited to poor people and goes across all social strata. After is it could be considered abusive and not in the best interests of the child to send them away to boarding school at age 7.

The point I was trying to make user is that their culture of reduction and subordination crosses all boundaries but sadly not everyone is empowered to complain. We didn't meet their referral criteria and I was spoken to like scum.

Re your other points very few children board at 7/8 nowadays.

It should be clear that my family are professionals and have the means to defend ourselves. It didn't stop nursing staff in A&E assuming my dd may be in an abusive situation or from being judgemental and rude because my plan was different to their plan. Their pkan was admit for a CAMHS review. My plan was what on earth is the point when CAMHS have already refused help and this young person has a private consultant psychiatrist? They coukd not get their heads around the fact that any parent might have it sorted, might have engaged superb care and might actually expect standards significantly higher thanthe average nurse or sw can imagine.

And if they are referring to the paeds consultant as Dr Jones, do not under any circumstances call me mum, love or darlin. In fact all parents should be afforded the same level of courtesy as any other human being in any setting. When was the last time a nurse, social worker or hv referred to a GP or hospital consultant as "doc" "mate" or "darlin"? It doesn't happen. Why then are parents subordinated in that way.

I was quite interested to learn that disability rights and victimisation don't apply if there is an ongoing child protection process, the other day.

Therefore, you can't legitatimately make a complaint about the referral going in, or anything that they may use against you. As I've learned, this leaves the system open to abuse from 'professionals'.

Do people want to discuss the fact that MN family lawyer spero confirmed that the focus (or emphasis) is on removal rather than support. She runs the child protection resource centre to which tess linked yesterday at 23.28. Sorry spero, if you're watching, couldn't remember if you said focus or emphasis. I feel that both what spero said and the AIMS report worthy of discussion

Spero could be a hairy knuckled truck driver for all you know. And even if she/he is who you say (which I would doubt because posting about your job of that sort online in an identifiable manner would be gross misconduct and she/he wouldn't stay in the job for long) then they could have any kind of agenda of their own.
It's simply wrong and all statistics disagree with the assessment. The focus is and only can be on support rather than removal. The number of interventions compared to the number of removals shows that absolute fact.

Nipintheair do you think the outcome was different because you are educated, articulate and professional. Re my previous posts you were able to engage the services of a private consultant psychiatrist and did not rely on their suggested experts. I wish you well

Goodgirls, in my case, there hasn't actually been any support. The focus seems to be on trying to prove that I'm guilty, until I can prove otherwise.

That's your perspective on it. I imagine there are others.

Wrong again goodgirls. Spero was outed by an MP. He was banned, she started the online child protection resource.

You imagine, because you haven't actually had that experience, so you just jump to the conclusion that there is actually support. They have never offered to help in any way.

Christmas case began with a complaint against a health visitor. AIMS confirms this does happen.

Yes I do think the outcome was different. We could pay for care so my dd was diagnosed with an underlying neuro developmental disability within 7 months and began to recover. Had we been dependent on the system that would not have happened, she would probably have dropped out of school and would not be going to the top uni for her course in the uk, possibly internationally.

There was no support we weren't prepared to put in place for her. They still treated me like shit though. It is wrong and my heart goes out to those without the means to fight back. And fight I did and fight I will and i have effected some small improvements I believe. But treated people decently needs ro be stamped through them like Brighton rock!

It's not my imagination that SS supports a lot of families. It's not my imagination that they support far more than they remove.

Some families refuse all support, instead taking a combatative stance to "fight for their rights" and such. It's rarely helpful

I expect goodgirls is busy checking out speros site right now. Could have saved you the bother. Her name is Sarah philimore, she's at Bristol chambers and I'm not sure but I think she's a Barrister now, for the south West.

So if your family is not being treated well by them, should you just accept that most social workers do a good job and that you're just unlucky?

But goodgirls when a social worker phoned me to offer "support" he couldn't articulate what "support" was. It was a routine call, we didn't meet thre threshold, case closed. He still called me Air though with no salutation. We didn't need their help. What if we had?

Oh she's back. Everyone knows about spero good. Don't think she'll like being called hairy knuckled though you never know!

Happy your dd recovered nip

You're right goodgirls. Rarely helpful to try to fight for yours and children's rights. Makes it worse, they then escalate to family court to keep you quiet.

Are you going to answer Christmas and nip good?

AIMS> We see many case and court files, we know how questionable and inaccurate are the allegations, interpretation and documentation from which many investigations spring. Sometimes it is unclear where the trail began, and a surprising number seem to start after justified consumer complaints have been made about health care or other staff.

@NipInTheAir although I think we probably have massively differing perspectives, I think you make a good point about how the notion of ‘support’ can be poorly defined (for a start it can mean different things to different people and at different times) which can make it difficult and frustrating for people to get on board with the situation, which in turn can lead to a breakdown in relations between family and services or to things drifting/being dragged out where they could otherwise have been concluded more quickly and satisfactorily for all concerns. There are so many factors involved, not least the sometimes irreconcilable tension between the care and control functions of statutory social work.

I can confirm that Spero is legit and not a hairy trucker! At the time of SS involvement, she offered to take my case on after reading all the paperwork.

But Deri in the absence of a court order, there is no control function, so why the need to behave to all potential clients in a way that is reductive? Had the sw spoken to me nicely and kindly then there might have been a constructive conversation rather than a formal complaint.

My relationship with all services broke down when the local CAMHS told me to get a therapist off the internet when I said a long wait (for a young person cutting and taking od's) was unacceptable. All CAMHS wanted to do was to look for red flags in the family. Contrast to her consultant psychiatrist who spent an hour assessing dd and said it was clear she had a very good life and the problems were coming from within and she needed support to recover from depression and anxiety and self esteem that was on the floor. That initiated a much more positive relationship because we were all working together.

Claw, Any advice for Christmas She's in the midst of it at the moment.