To think some posters are naive about SS?

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I see many posts where people seem to believe either that SS will offer support and that parents who are loving and coping but struggling can contact them for a hand-hold, or posts where people believe a not ideal yet normal situation can and should be reported.

AIBU to think posters are naive about what SS actually do?

Yesterday toomany said Evident means something we see, not necessarily something we have evidence of. Therefore the future of a child depends on what the SW said she saw, with NO evidence!!! Scary stuff!

You know it would really help if you understood how words work. Maybe a dictionary.

Complicit professionals turn to insults and attacks when confronted, showing no empathy, understanding or compassion towards the 'establishment' victims.

www.aims.org.uk/journal/item/child-protection In a number of cases mothers have expressed breast milk and begged social workers to give it to the baby, and they have refused. More recently some breast feeding mothers have been asked to express milk by social workers (we suspect as a result of European Court human rights decision on one of our cases, P,C and S v UK 16 07 02 This was before Baby P.
Babies still being taken from the breast today.

What kind of human being refuses a baby it's expressed mothers milk?

Anyone else see the irony in posting baseless accusations about the standard of evidence required in the family court... without any evidence to back up their claims?

And @auntethel saying someone doesn't understand how a word works if they're using an incorrect definition of a word to make a point because it sounds like another word, that isn't turning to an insult it's pointing out a fact.

Insults i'd think would be the guy who called me up three times yesterday to tell me I'm a c*, threatened to batter me when we meet and told me he was taking me to court. That was only half of it.
My crime btw was me insisting that you need to turn up when you say you will to see your child. Exactly the same standards id expect any parent to demand for their own child. Not once have I ever resorted to insults and it does wear you down taking that sort of abuse in a job.

Poor you

YouTube Social Services stealing babies before birth Denise Roberton

YouTube Denise Robertson MBE Stop Forced Adoption Conference

My crime btw was me insisting that you need to turn up when you say you will to see your child Thanks for the reminder! Many parents receive contact appointment letters giving wrong time/date.

@Threadastaire it must be so hard to constantly receive threats and abuse in the course of just doing your job. I know I couldn't cope with that.

However, it would be very difficult to provide evidence of a lack of evidence. How would that work?

At the very best I could provide copies of the reports the SW wrote, which I know were full of inaccuracies, false statements, opinions and outright lies. Only I know all those things are not true, as once they are written down by a SW on paper and put in the file they are basically set in stone. It becomes true, because they said it is. Anything to the contrary is ignored.

For an example - the head of the after school club I put my dcs in claimed in meetings to SW that I had not told her about my ds' disability, that she has no idea of his needs. In reality, I spent over an hour visiting the facility and having a 1:1 meeting with this woman, I told her in detail about both my dcs and specifically about ds' disability. I filled out a pages long booklet with everything from their favourite foods, their favourite movies and activities, to their toileting abilities and capacity for speech. Just to make sure they were prepared and had something to refer to. And yet the only 'evidence' said I didn't bother. I had nothing to prove otherwise because that booklet was held by the club and was never provided to the SW or the court. It was my word against hers but I was ignored while she was believed absolutely.

What kind of human being refuses a baby it's expressed mothers milk?

Somebody who has reason to believe said mother has taken drugs or drank alcohol excessively?

@arisefromtheashes

It's actually not that hard to find evidence of terrible practice.

suesspiciousminds.com/2018/06/19/social-worker-on-the-naughty-step/

There's lots more were that came from.

For some reason people prefer the bizarre and unprovable conspiracy theories. It genuinely baffles me.

Correction: What kind of human being refuses a baby it's expressed mothers milk when there is no history of drug or alcohol abuse, no traces in current tests?

It doesn't say anything at all about testing Ethel. Not a thing.

arisefromtheashes, if it's any consolation at all, we had documented evidence of 60 of the 70 lies in our case. Made no difference whatsoever. Our solicitor, when we kept pushing him to use our evidence, got angry and snapped "don't you understand, even if you have 100% evidence, you simply cannot win"! When questioned why were we even meeting with him then, he never replied. Now that is one conversation I really wished we had recorded.

Tess, It is interesting to note from my observations of your posts, you appear to be one of the inhumane beings who are agreeable to depriving newborn babies of their mothers breastmilk. This could be caused by a number of factors, one possibility that tess was her/himself deprived of breastmilk when young but unable to cope with this and has compartmentalised. Worryingly, tess appears to be unable to understand the great importance to babies of breastmilk. Furthermore tess appears unable to feel empathy and compassion towards said babies. However, these concerns will be fully explored in the psychiatric evaluation which the authority are wholly recommending. Conversely, I have also noted that tess appears to suffer confused episodes in the postings on an internet parenting site. This will be further explored in assessments with her children. However, due to authority concerns I feel it is necessary to apply interim care orders for children a,b,c,d whilst investigations and assessments are ongoing. This authority feels this would be in the childrens best interests and protect them from any risk of future emotional harm. The authority therefore requests that the court grants interim care order and all the rest of the shit that goes with it cos I a am a sw, don't you know. Signed a.sw. Endorsed by team leader. Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me team leader "ahem, tess also suffers with long term mental Ill health, even though her doc (what does he know) confirms tess has no record of mental Ill health. Thank-you your honour."

Oh, and while I'm unnecessarily investigating tess, someone else can go investigate the real cases cos I'm to busy. How much do we need, ohhh I'd say at least 50,000 of taxpayers money. What? None left for the real cases? Oh, shame. Ahem, ss are underfunded and overworked. Signed a.sw.

Auntethel

You ignored the salient point which is that the thing you linked doesn't say what you claim it does.

Oops, starting to make "mistakes" myself now. Any jobs going ss?

Ethel

That was far from your first mistake.

auntethel

Do you agree that there is a really good reason why some babies should not be given their mothers breastmilk?

Regarding my friends nationality. I won't put her actual nationality.

It was along the lines of SW said friend was delusional, SW said friend was Indian but thinks of herself as French and is bringing up her DC as a Catholic, completely against her own Sikh upbringing.

Friend is white English and is Church of England.

The report was total fantasy which stated other things were completely true on one page then stated the opposite was true on the next page.

The whole thing made you question the sanity of the author.

How do you argue with stupid when your child's life is on the line.

Social services got involved with someone I know recently and quite rightly. However why they bothered was beyond me as they then showed no interest. My friend was subject to meetings/appointments with them that they didn't turn up to, the perpetrator of the situation (the dad) was not held to any account or involvement but the mum had to go to parenting classes, they couldn't spell the child's name, got his ethnic origin wrong, and finally dropped the case but didn't bother to tell anyone involved - ridiculous!

aunt I have an alternative one.

Child's bed has no bedding, just a dirty bare mattress and quilt. Parent is therefore neglecting dc.

My inexperience means I have no fucking clue about poverty, and can't comprehend that with no money for spare bedding, or the launderette on a daily basis, X is hand washing it every morning and at my lunchtime visit it's never dry. I've also not bothered to look at the evidence about the nightly bed wetting of dc, because I've already made an uninformed opinion of X. Mattress and quilt are also clean, just stained and X can't afford to replace them, which again in my ignorance I refuse to believe.

Or perhaps X was dragged up herself, and left her crap home at 15 to live with the abusive partner she has just left. And having never hit the ss radar till now, in her 17yrs of miserable existence nobody has ever shown her or explained basic needs and skills. X is actually pretty proud her dc has warm bedding and a mattress, luxury she never had. But having formed my ignorant opinion I'm not inclined to back track now I've had the full history.

Or given the full circumstances, X deserves a medal just for keeping dc safe, warm and fed, what she needs is practical help with her severely disabled dc.

But I'm not going to bother with any of those reasons in my report, I'll just include the fact X isn't coping along with details of what I saw because I haven't got a clue about real life. Not just bedding, but all those other things I've also drawn the wrong conclusion about.

The Iro is going to shit all over my dubious reports, and my manager ( who hasn't had time to fully supervise) and I will both be proved wrong. Perhaps my manager will also back me to protect her/himself. But either way I've not done anything that merits being sacked or publicly discredited, so I'll go and do the same elsewhere because I'm still fucking clueless. If it gets too bad I'll just move to another authority and fuck up there too. They're understaffed so can't be as fussy as they'd like.

Maybe my experienced and competent manager or colleague throw in the towel because I'm the final straw in a system they can no longer cope with. Maybe the manager had to resign because they were blamed yet again for not fully supervising the likes of me, even though the time to do so didn't exist. But never mind there's another idiot like me to step into their shoes.

That is the more likely scenario of sw fuck ups, but it won't get resolved if we are all too busy pretending conspiracy theories are the common cause of injustice.

Thanks for letting me know.