To think some posters are naive about SS?

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I see many posts where people seem to believe either that SS will offer support and that parents who are loving and coping but struggling can contact them for a hand-hold, or posts where people believe a not ideal yet normal situation can and should be reported.

AIBU to think posters are naive about what SS actually do?

Nb there are no adoption targets and never have been in this country to my knowledge

Then your knowledge is very poor. Honestly you can Google this in 2 seconds flat. Not to mention the other childrens social worker has covered this.

ThinksTwice

Thank you! I am happy to report I am absolutely fine. No issues. However, like everyone, I'm subject to the whims of fortune!

Being brought up in the care system; most of the ones I dealt with were full of shit, with God Complexes. They tried their hardest NOT to reunite me with my family, most of whom are now dead.

Ugh sorry I meant to write general population in that, my phone's buggy

Thanks for jumping down my throat though @tessliketrees

The whole mental health issue debate is really pissing me off at the moment actually. I might just start a new thread!

Potential employees fear telling employers about mental health issues for fear of not getting the position.

Mums fearing going to the gp in fear they could be branded an unfit mother by any future Ss involvement.

I had to give some bailiffs short shrift not so long ago when they were bullying my brother. He had Mh issues and got himself into a debt. The bailiff argued my brother spoke clearly so couldn't be possibly suffering mental health issues. I had to point out that people with mh issues aren't all rocking in a corner with slurred speech. We managed to get something on writing from his gp and sorted it out via the original debtors but it was a real eye opener on how vulnerable people are treated.

When is this country going to educate itself on mental health so we aren't all afraid of speaking up. The consequences are people sitting in silence suffering in fear of being ridiculed

@Threadastaire

I'm not sure what difference "general population" would make in that post. I didn't jump down your throat, I pointed out you were wrong. It was the only substantive point in your post and it was incorrect, pointing that out is fair.

forced-adoption.com/cashing-in/ from here. All quite shocking, if it’s correct.

“Local PSA adoption and placement targets: payments made to date under local PSAs
Local authority Amount of ‘reward grant’ paid (£)
Barnsley Metropolitan Borough Council 210,173.00
Blackburn with Darwen 307,367.00
Bristol City Council 307,512.00
Buckinghamshire County Council 526,958.00
Bromley (LB) 499,440.00
Camden (LB) 318,916.50
Cheshire County Council 685,134.00
Doncaster Metropolitan Borough Council 578,333.00
Durham County Council 502,675.00
Enfield (LB) 244,963.00
Essex County Council 2,469,200.00
Gloucestershire County Council 612,209.00
Greenwich (LB) 580,996.00
Halton Borough Council 153,938.00
Hampshire 1,675,619.00
Hounslow (LB) 165,019.00
Kensington and Chelsea (LB) 339,117.00
Kent County Council 2,156,583.00
Lewisham (LB) 602,854.00
Liverpool City Council 347,404.00
Luton Borough Council 400,027.00
Manchester City Council 984,877.00
Merton Borough Council 358,708.00
Northamptonshire County Council 1,119,115.00
Sheffield City Council 1,025,000.00
Southwark (LB) 435,242.00
St. Helens Metropolitan Borough Council 83,845.00
Wandsworth (LB) 387,627.00
Warwickshire County Council 231,061.00
York City Council 203,620.00

Childrens services can support adults to be referred into adult services where statutory support can be provided to parents (if eligible). This support can be aimed at supporting parents with their parenting role and also daily living tasks which may be difficult.

Joined up working between children and adult services should be promoted and utilised in my opinion.

ThinksTwice

I doubt I could keep my job if I suffered from a severe MH problem (teacher). I suspect quite a few teachers hide them.

tess what the pp has shown is that any adoption targets were at a higher council level. I worked as a LA social worker during peak target time it did perhaps mean that we looked harder for adoption placements for dc we might have thought were too hard to place but it had no impact on taking dc into care. The difference was between long term permanent foster care and adoptions. Both forms of care have something to offer and it generally isn't a great idea to let government ideology override the best interests of dc.

Metoodear spot on.

I can't honestly believe there are still people around who are stupid enough to believe in targets for removing children.

claw001 You are not going to get unbiased reporting from any group calling itself forced adoption. I am not sure if you are aware of this or not?

Midgesforever put it better than I did.
Iv worked across multiple authorities and its never been a goal of a SW to get children adopted. Its really sad when it goes that way. Tbh most Sws don't have time to follow what the govt agenda is and certainly wouldn't follow it because it was fashion.
I mean ffs if we followed the current govt ideology it would be something along the lines of leaving families to fend for themselves, survival of the fittest, whilst making ourselves redundant and putting ourselves into prison in the process!

I can't honestly believe there are still people around who are stupid enough to believe in targets for removing children

There are targets for adoption. There were government targets and there are in house targets. Numerical targets in some cases. What effect these targets have is disputed and there is no clear answer to this that I can see.

Right just to explain targets

This was to encourage sw to consider adoption rather than leave children in foster care as adoption rates were low and many children were just in life long care

This is not about sw stealing children from birth parents it’s to get sw to pull their fingers out and find children who have already been removed forever family’s

Tess evidence please?

Tessliketrees

Please read my posts I fostered and have adopted sw can be cunts no nothings twats when I fostered had to ask one social twant to leave my house

But they are not stealing children

The largest group of children in care are the hardest to place
Black children
Boys
Children over 10
Sibling groups

So if they were stealing children why wouldn’t they steal babies
Babies are the least likey to go into care

Tess evidence please?

You can literally Google "Adoption targets" and most of the results are legitimate. You may want to Google before you accuse people of being stupid (or indeed RTFT).

Here is one at random.

www.transparencyproject.org.uk/english-councils-confirm-they-set-targets-for-the-number-of-children-to-be-adopted/

@Metoodear

What's your point? I have read all your posts, how does any of what you have just said relate to what I have said?

Once again what metoodear said.
The targets are only relating to dc already in the system, it does not have any impact of dc who haven't entered the care system. Judges not social workers decide if a dc enters the care system, they have no targets relating to this.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/664995/SFR50_2017-Children_looked_after_in_England.pdf

midge I was just reading a Judges order and he too refers to it as forced adoption. adoption without parents permission, does it really matter what we call it!

I’m reading, different articles, trying to balance my view.

Oh Tess you really are that stupid.

It also wasn't done in isolation. It was done with a vastly reduced court timetable, with hefty fines for councils who didn't stick to deadlines. It was done alongside a crackdown on voluntary placements (because they don't provide permanence or have legal scrutiny) and a push for special guardianships (again, permanency)

The overall intention was to stop children languishing in the system while adults argued over them. And to avoid very young children remaining in foster care because that's likely to be a poor outcome for them, no matter what the quality of their initial foster carers.