To think some posters are naive about SS?

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I see many posts where people seem to believe either that SS will offer support and that parents who are loving and coping but struggling can contact them for a hand-hold, or posts where people believe a not ideal yet normal situation can and should be reported.

AIBU to think posters are naive about what SS actually do?

Judges not social workers decide if a dc enters the care system

And, once again, judges do not have anything to do with "voluntary" placements and intervention.

forced-adoption.com/cashing-in/ from here. All quite shocking, if it’s correct

Seriously, with that website name and link title? Why would you pay any attention to tin hat shit like that?

@Skarossinkplungerridesagain

I am right. Sorry if it hurts your feelings.

Toomany as I said I like to read both sides. If you have links with prove the figures wrong, I’d be interested in reading them. I can’t find any.

I was giving you a heads up claw001 that you were looking in the wrong places for unbiased information! Family law might be a better place to start looking.

That isn't one of the sides though.

Over the last few years there have been numerous examples of judges criticising social services of rushing adoption processes. Over the last few years there has been a bigger emphasis on adoption including target setting. I don't think it's unreasonable to imagine the two are linked.

@tessliketrees
There are now very clear guidelines from courts as to when voluntary (section 20) placements can be used. There is a clear expectation that voluntary placements are for a specific time limited purpose. Ss review these placements with legal input and if they do not meet those court guidelines then the matter has to be put before the court.

So stats are incorrect? Based on what? Your say so?

As I said I am not sure what to make of it, yet. However, I will make my own mind up!

Oh Tess you really are that stupid.

Why be so obnoxious and rude? Thread has been pretty civil and useful up till now.

And no, it doesn't hurt my feelings, what it does it belittle the hard work of social workers across the country. When I was in the job it wasn't unusual for me to come home at 11pm after accompanying a three year old for to a child protection medical, to have held her during the examination while she screamed and then fought to find her a Foster placement. People like you make me sick.

No, Tess you're not. You're sprouting complete shit that you chose to believe because it suits you and you're too thick to do any research about the utter shite you are reading

What I linked was evidence from Local Authorities themselves. Do you understand what a FOI request is?

Honestly why don't you read a bit and come back to me? With actual evidence that I am wrong or with an apology. Either will do.

People like you make me sick

What people who tell you you are wrong then prove it? Yes I imagine with such thin skin that would make you ill.

@Threadastaire

Indeed there are clear guidelines for section 20. Google "judge criticises use of section 20" and have a look at the volume and seriousness of its misuse.

It really is shocking.

As I said I am not sure what to make of it, yet. However, I will make my own mind up!

With "info" from the paranoid fringe? Have you actually read the mispelled incoherent ranting on that website?

Tess I can't prove something that doesn't exist. Also I can't argue with stupid so I'm done.

It was mentioned earlier that some people who come into contact with SS are educated and intelligent and questions about how to people who are not educated and intelligent.
I don't actually think SS know how to deal with people who are actually more intelligent than them. They want to bully their way around people who are less able.
It was said about someone that I know was quite proud of her professional qualifications, I would expect most people are proud of their qualifications. This was said in a derogatory manner after they had been proved wrong.
A SS worker said to me that X carries on as if she is invincible. I wonder why a SS worker would want to beat down on an individual, a young mother under duress from a very violent man. I noticed that SS workers male or female would not speak back to the violent man so why did they expect a young female to do so.
SS workers are the Strangest people I ever met.

@tessliketrees

Shocking that the courts didn't give clear guidance or make their minds up for years? Shocking. But I bet that's the Sws fault too?

Tell me something, since you know the system and you're an expert on it why haven't you trained to go sort it all out? Sure could do with your wisdom.

Tess I can't prove something that doesn't exist

Why are councils lying and saying they do have targets?

Also I can't argue with stupid so I'm done

I think you mixed up your word placement there

This blog is the work of an MNer.

childprotectionresource.online/

The myth busting section is worth a look.

It may have been her who sent the FOI requests re targets.

Oh so it's perfectly acceptable to accuse me and my colleagues of 'stealing children' but not for me to call someone stupid for believing it. Nice one MNHQ.

C'mon tessliketrees, why aren't you a SW manager yet? Strategic lead? Can't believe you're keeping all that expert knowledge to yourself.
What's your reason? It's clearly something you're passionate about.

Shocking that the courts didn't give clear guidance or make their minds up for years? Shocking. But I bet that's the Sws fault too?

No, the courts didn't know about it, that is the point. It wasn't just social workers fault, the brief has to take some blame too.

I am surprised you don't know about this, it's been heavily covered in social work publications.

why haven't you trained

I did. I am a practicing social worker, it's why I know this stuff off the top of my head. You think I keep up with it for funsies?

It’s not about you personally, ska