Rise of measles

[crosstalk]

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/european-measles-death-toll-hits-37-after-antivax-campaigns-ztmwl9f3q

Just saying

I'm not surprised, I experienced measles as a child (i am in my 60's) I would not wish what I went through on any child.
If these anti-vaxers had exprienced any of these awful illnesses as a child they would not run the risks of their DC's suffering.

Disgusting.
If you don’t vaccinate you’re children you’re not able to look after them.

Can't read the article, unfortunately, but the same has been mentioned in other newspapers. It is so sad.

People don't realize that the fact that the measles can infect the brain means that anything can happen really. You can die, go blind, go deaf, become paralysed, get brain damage that affect your cognitive abilities .

Damn, it is hard to write about that in a politically correct way, but you get it right? You'll be less intelligent. I don't know about the rest of you but I can most certainly not live on my looks, so I need my brain to function and function well.

@Mumminmum I shared a flat with a girl who was deaf in one ear because of measles. My DD was at nursery with a girl who developed encephalitis after measles... you don't need to be PC.

Oh no. Did the encephalitis cause permanent damage?

Most the measles epidemic is due to under-vaccination in Eastern Europe. Neglect of Romany health especially. Public health travesty.

She had to learn how to do stuff again. She caught it when she was 3 and she didn't come back to nursery so I'm not sure about the long term damage

There have apparently been cases in Essex this month of measles. The Rise (was V) festival goers were warned to watch out for symptoms due to the average age of the festival goers - that moron wakefield will have persuaded many of their parents not to vaccinate at the time they were due.
Worries me to death as DS is too young for the MMR

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/european-measles-death-toll-hits-37-after-antivax-campaigns-ztmwl9f3q?shareToken=48ec6f02401109a776811c61a7cc96cd

Link so everyone can read :-)

Glad someone started a thread on this. DD has had her first MMR but not her second.

Selfish, ignorant antivaxxers make me so angry. Anyone who isn't afraid of measles hasn't seen an actual case of measles.

Does anyone know if the GP will do the second one early for a toddler?

My DS had his early due to a case at his nursery.
This whole thing makes me so angry. Anti - vaxers won't listen to reason.

My dc2 has not been vaccinated (before I get jumped on - medical reasons which prevent it) I’m seeing his consultant in a couple of weeks, and I will bring this up as I’m so bloody worried as we’ve had a few cases this year.

I’m hoping for some kind of miracle, as I suspect the answer will be the same as last time.

People just don't realise how serious it can be, my dgm went deaf and dhs' uncle had to have an eye removed because of ocular complications

People don't realize that the fact that the measles can infect the brain means that anything can happen really. You can die, go blind, go deaf, become paralysed, get brain damage that affect your cognitive abilities

Raises hand as someone deafened as a consequence of childhood measles.

Where are all the antivaxxers rushing to defend their actions? Suspiciously silent now their is an outbreak.

Do everyone a favour and get your kids vaccinated. Herd immunity only protects unvaccinated kids if almost everyone else actually vaccinated. Your bullshit propaganda has worked a bit too well.

Measles only needs a population of about 100,000 susceptible people for it to keep spreading. Not to mention that 5 minutes with an infected person is enough for you to get sick if you're not immune. It's THAT contagious.

Some people may tell you, "Well, most of the kids that get measles are vaccinated! Proof that vaccines don't work!" I always say, flip the stats. Let's say we have a community of 110 children. 100 immunized, 10 not. Let's assume a vaccine efficacy of 80%. With an outbreak, we have 30 sick kids - 20 vaccinated, 10 not. 2/3 of the sick kids are vaccinated! BUT, of the vaccinated kids, 20% got sick, compared to 100% of the unvaccinated kids.

I recognize that there are some children who legitimately cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons or because they are too young. But this is exactly WHY everyone else should be. It helps to reduce the numbers below the 100,000 threshold.

Bump. More people need to know about this. If you are not vaccinated then you still can be. Better than the alternative.

God it’s so sad. This is the consequence anti-Vaxxers willingly accept. Letting children die and be terribly injured on the alter of their own self-importance.

Makes me furious. Absolute travesty that this is happening when a vaccine exists.

I know someone who is deaf in one ear from measles. It’s not all that uncommon in people my age who were children before the vaccination came in.

@MissSusanSays the intervals are evidence based to envoke the most effective immune response long term. If you do the second dose early you'd be gaining little in terms of protection and in order to reach the protection of the routine schedule would likely need a repeat dose later on.

1 dose of MMR provides about 90% immunity, then the second dose takes that up to around 97-99%. It's done at the interval it is to coincide with the child's developing immune system and risk of exposure (pre-starting school)

The best protection is to get the doses as scheduled by the national immunisation programme - which it sounds like everyone on this thread supports!

Blame the anti-science & evidence based medicine bunch who say crap like "Science doesn't know everything". And blame the "'ave a bit of respect" lot who think medieval thought processes ought to be protected from being laughed at. The latter includes about 98% of MNers - all of whom are desperate to polish their halos & get some internet validation.

What louise987 said regarding accelerating second dose. The NHS say in special circumstances the second dose can be given early, but I think this is envisaging high risk of exposure and/or another person in close contact who requires protection (e.g. immune compromised sibling or unvaccinated pregnant woman).

@louise987

Thanks. That’s all I needed to know. Hard not to worry as I had measles as a child and have hearing loss because of it. I had the separate jabs (early 80s) and got ill between the first and second jab. But I’ve heard the separate jabs aren’t as effective.

I wish single measles vaccines were still available.