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Is it a right to have Kids you can’t afford!?!

451 replies

KN2212 · 18/08/2018 22:41

I am totally fed up of listening to people complain about how broke they are after having kids. Babies and childcare are cripplingly expensive but that’s pretty much common knowledge, right?

I fell out with a long term friend of mine about a year ago. Since the birth of her DD all she did was complain about the situation she’d orchestrated.
Her and her (now ex) partner had no home of their own, low income, high debt and no savings when they decided to go ahead and have a child (though granted had been together for 7 years). The poor boyfriend busted his butt working 13 hour shifts 6 days a week in a call centre whilst they all lived in one cramped room at her parents and she complained he wasn’t doing enough. Due to her crippling shopping debts and inability to hold a job they were never going to make enough to live and knew that pre getting pregnant.

(Other friends are in similar situations, complaining about how they ‘can’t afford to go back to work’ because of childcare costs but equally can’t afford to live if they don’t go back to work!!! Come on and take some responsibility you knew this was going to be your situation.)

Whilst she was complaining over coffee one day about how the benefit system wasn’t giving her enough free money I called her out on her obvious poor planning and asked why she didn’t wait and save pre child. She got very defensive and said that they were never going to be able to afford a child due to their financial situation so why bother waiting?

It just got me thinking really hard, since when did having children become a right? It seemed so clear to her that she deserved to have a child despite not being able to afford one and that the government should now support her because she deserved to have her daughter.
Am I wrong in thinking that having children you can’t support is completely irresponsible and shitty and entitled?

I know a lot of women who want kids but are having to wait and plan and save and do it ‘the right way’ it seems unfair to them. When women like my ex friend do exactly what they want without planning and then hold the government over a barrel saying that their kids don’t have food and clothes. It just sucks like the children shouldn’t have to suffer but the tax payer shouldn’t have to pay for your unfair choices.

To clarify I have empathy for unplanned pregnancy’s no contraception is 100% but that’s not the kind of situation I’m talking about here. I’m talking about planned pregnancies.

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Beautifulblue · 18/08/2018 23:15

YABU BiscuitHmm

DuchessThingy · 18/08/2018 23:17

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Walkingdeadfangirl · 18/08/2018 23:17

If you cant afford children, dont have them. End of. YANBU
Its so selfish of people to expect others to pay for their children.

UpstartCrow · 18/08/2018 23:17

Is it a problem if society is set up in such a way that there are people who can't afford a child?

LanguageAsAFlower · 18/08/2018 23:19

Sorry if not coherent. It just riles me that it's considered an individual's responsibility when society is angled against supporting parents.

LyndorCake · 18/08/2018 23:23

Okay....so what about me then? Should I be forced to hand my very much loved DS over to the government because I have a lower income?
I fell pregnant on the pill. A pill I had been on for 10 years before without any pregnancy scares. Didn't even know I was pregnant until 12 weeks. We chose to continue as I personally couldn't abort (unless exceptional circumstances) and was in a committed relationship with my now DH.
Please, do tell me what a terrible person I am for deciding to go ahead with my pregnancy.

Gide · 18/08/2018 23:24

Dunno, but I wouldn’t have dc/pets/a house/car unless I could afford it. It does seem that some people have dc but can’t really afford it. I don’t know if it’s poor planning or lack of planning or ‘it just happened’. I wouldn’t want to bring a child into the world without knowing I could provide for him/her properly.

ReanimatedSGB · 18/08/2018 23:25

We as a society can't 'afford' to carry on letting a tiny percentage of the population hoard wealth to the extent that they do. We need universal basic income and a much higher top tax rate, properly enforced. The fact that people can't afford to care for their children properly is the fault of an economic system that has produced a huge increase in inequality over the last 40 years.

Alexalee · 18/08/2018 23:28

Wow some of the responses are strange... seemingly some of you think it's fine to have a child and let all of the other tax payers pay for it... that is why this country is in the shit state it's in... selfish people who believe they have a divine right to have everything they want right now... some people don't deserve children, simple as that. If you can't afford one, don't have one. Not saying only rich people can have children before that argument starts again. But if you have no money and no job, don't have a child

newsparklythings · 18/08/2018 23:30

Ok which sh*tty paper are you working for OP? Yawn...

AutumnGrace · 18/08/2018 23:33

I can see where you are coming from OP, I would love a second child but simply can't afford it and therefore won't until I can save.

I do think it is unfair for the state to be expected to fund multiple kids for people who can't afford them! Every should be able have a child but bringing 2,3,4 kids knowingly unable to support them is selfish.

ThatchersCold · 18/08/2018 23:33

I know of someone who is about to have her 8th baby (they were all planned). She claims disability money and her dp is her ‘carer’. Neither of them work and they live in a HA house. I realise not all disabilites are visible but I struggle to think of many disabilities where you could go through 8 pregnancies/births and run around looking after that many children.

She is forever putting bragging posts online of the latest clothes she’s had delivered for the impending new baby (seems they buy new every time), as well as the other expensive purchases they make (latest phones, hot tub etc).

I claim wtc as a lone parent (of 2) and I’m very grateful of the support, but I am increasing the amount I work as my dc get older and I don’t intend to claim benefits any longer than necessary. 8 bloody kids is excessive when you have no intention of doing anything to provide for them other than be given handouts.

daffodil10 · 18/08/2018 23:33

We both work and when we had our first dd we could just about afford nursery. I knew that I needed to carry on working for the money but also my job meant I couldn't take two/three years out then go back.

We always wanted a second child but I knew we couldn't afford two in nursery so we had to wait till number 1 went to school.

There was a girl I knew with kids at the same nursery. She's a single parent, 2 kids 2 dads, no job and no intention of working. She would walk into nursery with both kids, drop them off and then go home and sit on her arse all day. The government were paying her nursery fees so she could sit at home all day.

How is that fair? I could only afford two kids- she went on to have another two by different dads. Who was paying for fee child care - ME!!!!!!

LyndorCake · 18/08/2018 23:34

Alexa so do your propose mandatory abortions for anyone who earns under a certain amount?

Cantrememberthistime123 · 18/08/2018 23:35

Lyndor - but I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t sit and moan about the card you had been dealt. You would get up and deal with it. Like I said previously, everyone’s situation should be looked at individually. I realise this is costly but surely there shouldn’t be one rule for all.

I don’t care what people say, I am still in my 20s and I live day in day out in a council estate in which most people can’t be bothered to get out and put the effort in. I get up and go to work, i actually had one neighbour advise me to tell tax credits I had split with dp as I would be entitled to free childcare/tax credits.

It sounds so clique but children really are the future. They are the ones who will be deciding where we live, wiping our arses and ultimately making decisions that affect us directly.

AngelsAckiz · 18/08/2018 23:37

Do you work for the Daily Mail OP?

TillyTadpole · 18/08/2018 23:38

The mumsnet line seems to be have as many kids as you want. If you can't afford them just defraud the benefit system. Job done! Confused

Misericord · 18/08/2018 23:39

Some really stupid exaggerated posts on here. Hmm

YANBU

Alexalee · 18/08/2018 23:42

Lyndor
No need if they use protection is there

cherry2727 · 18/08/2018 23:44

I know a lot of women who want kids but are having to wait and plan and save and do it ‘the right way’ it seems unfair to them. When women like my ex friend do exactly what they want without planning and then hold the government over a barrel saying that their kids don’t have food and clothes.

Well op- let them wait and save for the "right time!" Nothing is stopping them from having unplanned kids ! I can't see the link between your two statements! None of the two parties mentioned have an influence on the other party!

LyndorCake · 18/08/2018 23:44

Alexa protection is never 100% effective. I have a small boy in the next room who is proof of that.

DieAntword · 18/08/2018 23:45

defraud the benefit system.

Huh? Please show me where anyone has spoken approvingly of benefit fraud?

SerenDippitty · 18/08/2018 23:46

Our bodies are built to be reproductively successful.

Not mine. Sad

IdahoJones · 18/08/2018 23:47

The mumsnet line seems to be have as many kids as you want. If you can't afford them just defraud the benefit system. Job done!

Yes, that's exactly what Justine Roberts got her OBE for. That and the lizards.

Marriedwithchildren5 · 18/08/2018 23:47

Or you could just get on with your own life??

Lifestyle is what people can't afford now. Parents want more and children expect more because of it.