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AIBU?

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To just leave infant DS with XH to get on with?

107 replies

Rtmhwales · 18/08/2018 22:26

I’ll try to keep this as succinct as possible but I’m really struggling with what to do in this situation, and it just keeps getting more and more complex.

Married DH in June 2017. I was living abroad in the UK when I met him. Five months into the marriage he decided he didn’t want to be married anymore and in fact wanted to go back to living with his parents forever (at 30..) and more of less sent me packing back to my country. Two weeks later I had a positive pregnancy test. I told him over the phone and he said to get an abortion and that I was ruining his life.

Nothing until February when I forwarded some scans to him and ILs (who I had a lovely relationship with prior to the end) of DS. They said they were opting out as it was in XH’s best interests for them to support him and not me and unborn DS. He made some noises about wanting to involved but then heard nothing from him again for months, and then it was only to sort out finances and a divorce ASAP.

DS arrived at 31weeks and spent a month in the NICU. Informed XH, seemed to have triggered something in him and he said he wanted to come see DS. Then nothing. He has been in occasional contact with me to set up child maintenance and query divorce items but has asked about DS literally once. He said there is zero point in asking after his DS until DS is of an age to answer him himself on Skype or similar..

Talking to him is draining. Our conversations have broken down and numerous gems have been lobbied at me including:

  • he sees zero issue with telling DS he wanted to abort him if he ever asks because abortion is a normal solution to unplanned pregnancy.
  • he has said numerous times there’s zero point in seeing DS before he’s 5 because babies don’t need or remember their fathers before then.
  • when he decided he was coming to meet DS, he booked it without consulting me for September when DS is 4 months old so he doesn’t have to change holiday plans..
  • he originally told me he didn’t want me around with him and newborn DS because if I could figure out how to handle a newborn, then surely he’d be fine.
  • he routinely takes 3-4 weeks to reply to any emails I send, and if we do speak on the phone he constantly sighs and sounds hard done by. His most recent conversation he insisted I’m being awkward and difficult by offering to bring DS to the UK once or twice a year at my own expense so he can have a relationship with his dad. Apparently I’m being bossy and controlling by insisting if he sees DS it should be somewhat regular consistent contact.

Apologies for the novel, but now he’s decided I must be there to help him look after DS for the week he has booked to be here (without discussing it with me..) because DS “won’t know him and will probably make strange at him”.

AIBU to simply say no? I’m torn between being sick at leaving DS with his father if his father doesn’t know how to properly care for a newborn (he will be 2 months old corrected age by then), and thinking I shouldn’t be sacrificing my mental health by being around XH for hours on end for an entire week when he originally seemed to think taking care of a newborn on his own with no infant experience would go off without a hitch.

I’m at a total loss here on what to do and would love some outside perspective on how to balance the needs of everyone involved. What would you do?

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TaliZorahVasNormandy · 18/08/2018 22:47

Tbh, I'd go away for that week.

GinDoll · 18/08/2018 22:48

As the mother of a teenager whose biological father only bothers with him occasionally please don't peruse this relationship between your child and his biological father. I feel like he will disappoint your child again and again and it's so heartbreaking to watch. I really wouldn't wish this on any child. My child's biological father will only take their calls occasionally and has told another family member that he just hangs up when he sees my child calling and has done for years.

TaliZorahVasNormandy · 18/08/2018 22:48

with the baby.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 18/08/2018 22:49

WTF are you doing, do not let this man into your life again, if he turns up at your door ring the police. Get a restraining order. If he want to see 'his' child then he has to go through the normal legal procedures. He cannot terrorise you.

Rtmhwales · 18/08/2018 22:51

He knows my address because our solicitors have been exchanging papers while we negotiate the divorce.

I’m not sure how just not being in when he shows up will look if we go to court for custody. I’m in Canada and they are reluctant to step in and deny him visitation in the first year. If he’s not been involved by one year I can apply to the Supreme Court for sole custody.

I’m not pushing for contact. At first I suggested it because I thought it would be beneficial for DS to have his father in his life and in the relationship with XH, he was a good man until he just suddenly walked out. I naively thought maybe he wouldn’t show interest in DS until he was actually here but now that he is, XH just blows hot and cold on it. I’ve offered him NC with us and I will forgo child maintenance but it seems whatever I suggest he just does the opposite.

He’s not named on the birth certificate here but the rules are different for Canada. He’s already obtained a court order for a DNA test as he knows DS is his and wants legal proof since I left him off of the birth certificate.

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Poptart4 · 18/08/2018 22:53

Op im afraid you need to get tougher or your ex will walk all over you.

He has no right to demand you spend all week with him. Tell him he can see the baby for an hour or 2 a day, by himself. If he doesn't like that then thats his problem.

You absolutely can stop him seeing the child. If he wants to fight for access then it is up to him to take you to court. I doubt he will though as it sounds like he cant be bothered.

Do you have emails where he says he doesn't want a relationship with his son until he is 5?? This will really go against him if he does bring you to court as its clear what a bell end he is. No child deserves or needs a parent who thinks they can pick them up and drop them wherever they feel like it.

Go NC. Let all queries on divorce and access go through your solicitor. I think once you stop doing all the running you ex will lose interest in your child.

lifechangesforever · 18/08/2018 22:54

You should have just left it after the first time he said he didn't want to be involved.. his loss and it would have been much simpler to not try and enforce contact.

Definitely do not leave your baby with someone he doesn't know - particularly as it's someone who quite clearly changes direction on a whim and doesn't have experience with babies.

It's not up to him to enforce 8 hours a day whilst he's there, it's up to you as his sole caregiver to decide what's best for your baby.

Lucked · 18/08/2018 22:59

You can dictate if and how he sees the child until there is a court order in place. If you were to limit it to an hour or two a day I believe most courts would see that as entirely reasonably for a small baby who he has not met before.

And I don't think you should be too worried about him pursuing much more contact through the courts.

Branleuse · 18/08/2018 22:59

I honestly think youre giving him far too much power over you and your child. Hes done fuck all for that child and is being damn weird now. Take the opportunity to get rid. He will be an albatross round your neck if youre not careful

Mindchilder · 18/08/2018 22:59

I would stop encouraging or facilitating contact. Let him take you to court. Realistically how would that work if you live on different continents?

If you want to facilitate contact, then YOU tell HIM what is happening - eg one hour with you present every other day in a public place.

Rtmhwales · 18/08/2018 23:00

Hindsight is 20/20. I wasn’t even sure I wanted to tell him about the baby but MN convinced me I’d be denying the two of them a relationship. Plus I’m sure it would’ve come up during the divorce.

My lawyer/solicitor advised I can’t deny him visitation and access or it’s considered alienation. And I’m torn about whether or not XH would pursue this through the courts. He has the means to do so and I’ve given up predicting which way he will go. Most recently he’s forwarded me an updated copy of his will that names DS as beneficiary (if only that could come into place sooner rather than later, but I digress..).

So while I don’t think I can just disappear while he’s here, I guess the consensus is I can and should limit the visits to short ones for an hour or two while XH is here and keep DS close to me?

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garethsouthgatesmrs · 18/08/2018 23:01

just to be clear, you absolutely have the right to say no to 1 week of access as it is not in the child's best interests. He may have booked a week that doesn't mean he gets to spend the full week with your tiny vulnerable baby,

You should look at the seven days and arrange some contact every day building up to a few hours of unsupervised contact on the last couple of days. At that age no overnights imo your baby wont be comforted at night by the random strange man he has never met before, it takes time to build a relationship.

Given what you have posted i would strongly suggest you get legal advice. Sadly you married a dick, we all make mistakes, please protect your little one from this dreadful man

Mindchilder · 18/08/2018 23:01

Meet in a cafe a few times for an hour.

Aspergallus · 18/08/2018 23:02

Book a holiday, go away when he is coming. Seriously, he sounds really odd and I think I would have avoided all contact and sighed in relief when he showed no interest at the outset.

You really don’t need to have contact with someone you are divorcing. Leave contact arrangements to the court.

BigBlueBubble · 18/08/2018 23:02

Imo the best thing is for you to have sole custody. There’s no point in trying to force a relationship when the father clearly isn’t bothered. Inconsistent contact will just hurt your DS.

Record your conversations to use as evidence in court. Let the judge hear him saying there’s no point in seeing DS and he’s planning to tell him he wanted to abort. Don’t mention DS to him unless he brings up the subject - ideally you want to be able to show that he hasn’t taken an interest.

Don’t offer to bring DS to the UK again. Make it clear that exH will have to make an effort if he wants to see his son. Stop pursuing contact. If he doesn’t contact you then don’t contact him. Keep a record of how rarely he contacts you.

Don’t mention his trip again. If he’s so uncommitted he will likely end up not bothering.

Mindchilder · 18/08/2018 23:03

No chance I would hand my baby to a weird, unpredictable man I don't trust for any unsupervised contact.

garethsouthgatesmrs · 18/08/2018 23:03

just read your update - sorry we cross posted, glad you have a solicitor.

At least whatever happens you can always tell your DS you tried to help him have a relationship with his dad.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 18/08/2018 23:04

Tbh I’d only answer direct questions from him and otherwise leave it be. As he is out of the country and likely to stay there I’d only facilitate contact if HE requests it and make sure you are always present in case in the future he tries to snatch the child.
But other than any mail he sends I wouldn’t contact him. Also do all divorce contact through a lawyer

dressesdressesdresses · 18/08/2018 23:05

Pffft this wanker wouldn't get to breathe in the same room as my child never mind fucking looking after him! Asswhole

hidinginthenightgarden · 18/08/2018 23:05

Whilst he is with you I would suggest an hour on the first day, 2-3 hours on the second, 4 on the third, cut back down to 1 (or request a break) on the 4th, 4 on the 5 and then hope he is bored and disappears! That is how they do it when you adopt/foster and need to get to know the child and carer in a controlled way.
He will get bored with a newborn anyway and won't want to spend 8 hours sat around.
When he leaves, do not mention your son to him ever again. If he asks and pursues contact then deal with it but don't encourage it.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 18/08/2018 23:06

You never offer anyone NC tbh you just do it

Jenala · 18/08/2018 23:06

If you can't reduce the length of visits then I'm sorry to say I think you need to grit your teeth and put up with it. At the risk of sounding a bit harsh, your DSs need for you is more important than how being around your ex husband will make you feel. He's still so little and your ex sounds totally clueless about life in general let alone caring for a tiny baby. Theres no way in hell I'd leave him to get on with it.

Can any of your family or friends be around in order to reduce the intensity or stay with DS if you need to leave the room for a breather etc?

Even though he thinks he wants to be there all day, I would bet money that when he realises how little newborns do beyond eating and sleeping, he will begin turning up later and leaving earlier.

At the end of the day a week won't kill you, and just remind yourself you are putting yourself through it for DSs sake.

BigBlueBubble · 18/08/2018 23:06

make sure you are always present in case in the future he tries to snatch the child
^^This.

Aeroflotgirl · 18/08/2018 23:06

Why why have you bothered with this man, who neither cares for D's or you. Get on with your life without him, a child is not a toy that he can pick up and put down when he chooses. Your D's deserves better than this man.

Tomorrowillbeachicken · 18/08/2018 23:07

The other way is to do contact only in public places too...

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