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Broken my veganism today

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Stepstepmother · 15/08/2018 21:12

And had to tell someone!

I’ve been a vegan for a few years - for environmental reasons and the argument that it’s much more possible to feed the world when we eat a plant based diet. It’s genuinely been a sacrifice as I love eating meat and fish and dairy - but I’ve done it. Lately I’ve been toying with the idea of giving myself a secret day off. Just one day, then back to it. That day was today. So I’ve eaten...

A buttery cheese croissant for breakfast
Rare steak with beef dripping chips and creamed spinach for lunch
A chicken thigh pita with halloumi cheese, caramelised onions, and garlic aoli for dinner.

It’s all been epic. And totally secret. I’m back on the straight and narrow vegan route again tomorrow and will look forward to my next cheat day in a few years time. But I just had to share.

(I know I’ve posted in AIBU - so, was I unreasonable?)

OP posts:
butterflysugarbaby · 16/08/2018 16:33

It seems really hypocritical to expect people to cater for your diet when you are happy to ignore it on a whim for your own convenience and enjoyment.

This. ^

The OP should just say she follows a vegan diet when she can, and tries to stick to it when she can. But she isn't a vegan.

And the attacks on the vegans who are not happy with the OP (calling them soul-less and miserable etc, ) say more about the people saying it.

Their beliefs are strong and passionate, and that is why they have got narky with the fake vegan that is the OP.

Oh and I am not a vegan by the way. I do know a few though, and guess what??? THEY DON'T EAT RED MEAT.

OP is not a vegan.

Roussette · 16/08/2018 16:50

As I've said, it's a free world and folk can eat/not eat whatever they want - but it's hard to avoid thinking there's sometimes a certain amount of attention-seeking going on

She's a lovely NDN and I said absolutely nothing, I was just a bit taken aback! Particularly at eating a sausage as I just would've imagined that a banger would be one step too far for a vegetarian, chicken maybe... but a sausage?!

As of today, OP is a vegan AFAIC.

MeyMary · 16/08/2018 17:40

At least OP ate her delicious meat in secret!

You sound like my grandmother. When complaining about my granduncle's extramarital indiscretions...Grin

MeyMary · 16/08/2018 17:42

(complained because she was stuck managing the 'fall-out'. Not because she particularly cared about her SILHmm )

SuburbanRhonda · 16/08/2018 18:55

Doesn't that make sense? With the mussels?

No it doesn’t. Why would anyone become vegan and then go out of their way to eat an animal? Even one with a less developed central nervous system? If you want to eat animals, crack in, but don’t say you’re vegan.

And what if, I’m the same way as we now know fish feel pain when it used to be thought that they didn’t, we discover that mussels do register sensations of pain in a way we didn’t previously think was possible? Scientific knowledge is advancing all the time. Why take the risk?

And if “not feeling pain” is the criterion, why not eat eggs? Vegans don’t, because it’s exploitation of animals and that would be incompatible with veganism.

BarbarianMum · 16/08/2018 18:59

I don't agree butterfly. I might be narked about being expected to provide vegan food for someone who ate meat every weekend but not 1 day in 1,000. And whatever some of the sanctarati on here say, being vegan isn't a 100% thing like being coeliac or anaphylactic to peanuts. Just about every vegan I know has fallen off the wagon at some point or another - doesnt mean they'd eat a sausage sandwich if I made them one.

SuburbanRhonda · 16/08/2018 19:14

being vegan isn't a 100% thing like being coeliac or anaphylactic to peanuts

Of course people with coeliac disease or a nut allergy have it 100% of the time, because they are health conditions. What an odd comparison.

ThistleAmore · 16/08/2018 19:24

I don't eat meat or fish for environmental reasons, but I don't call myself a vegetarian, because I wear leather shoes and sit on a leather sofa (hey, I bought it before I stopped eating meat and it's got years left in it, it would be madness to get rid! Also, my mother taught me to look after my shoes, so they've got years left, too).

I drink milk and eat eggs occasionally (I can't be doing with cheese), so I find it easier to go for 'plant-based diet' and leave it at that.

However, I have accidentally (genuinely) eaten meat a couple of times over the last decade or so and it has REALLY upset my stomach, so surely 'binging' on animal products on the way the OP has is of more cause of concern to her right now?

Backstabbath · 16/08/2018 19:39

The op was a vegan up until today.

Today the op isn't a vegan.

Tomorrow the op is a vegan again.

Not difficult and should not take 585 posts to resolve.

Some right fucking dickheads on this thread just don't get that.

There is no waiting period to become vegan again after you have broken it.

springmachine · 16/08/2018 19:41

That's a fab idea.

It's a long shot to expect lots of people to do veganism full time, so if easier to do part time veganism maybe a much higher percentage would do which would end up with improved environmental benefits

Perfectly1mperfect · 16/08/2018 19:58

There is no waiting period to become vegan again after you have broken it.

Yes, but if in 6 months someone asked her how long she's been vegan for, she couldn't say 4 years, without lying.

Backstabbath · 16/08/2018 20:03

@Perfectly1mperfect and your point is what?

Q. Will the op be a vegan tomorrow.

A. Yes.

Who gives a shit how long for.

springmachine · 16/08/2018 20:18

@Backstabbath

Yes who cares indeed?!

And why bother telling people you're vegan anyway unless you're being a 'holier than thou' type

Perfectly1mperfect · 16/08/2018 20:40

Who gives a shit how long for.

Well the OP does clearly as she's told us numerous times that's she's been vegan for 3.5 years. 🙄

OP should just eat what she wants, but she clearly finds the restrictive nature of a vegan diet difficult so why put a label on herself.

loubeylou68smellsofreindeerpoo · 16/08/2018 20:40

I see no problem with the op having a cheat day. Whether they are a true vega on the rest of the year depends on if they follow it completely ie vegan washing up liquid, shampoo, clothes etc
However they may follow a vegan diet and that's fine but doesn't make someone a vegan
(Im not vegan or vegetarian)

Backstabbath · 16/08/2018 21:19

Washing up liquid, shampoo...

Now we're playing vegan bingo... who can be the most vegan.

FFS time to hide this thread ... fucking loony's

loubeylou68smellsofreindeerpoo · 16/08/2018 21:25

Nope as I said I'm neither vegan or vegetarian but vegans have a belief and choose to not use any animal products. You can follow a vegan diet but to be a vegan involves a lot more. Try doing some research

IamJen · 17/08/2018 09:46

Some thoughts from a long-time vegan (warning for a long post)

Re stepping on snails and the like: The Vegan Society talks about not using or exploiting animals "as far as is possible and practicable". The "practicable" is really important for those living a vegan lifestyle. You can't reasonably avoid killing insects when walking, rodents are likely killed when the grains we eat are harvested, etc. There are trace animal products in many items that don't have vegan alternatives (bike tyres, for instance). Many people have jobs that may require them to use animal products in a small way (wearing a uniform with leather or wool, for instance). Some vegans, including myself, take medicine necessary for quality of life. In my case, the ingredients are vegan but it was surely animal tested. Now I could survive without it but before I started on it, I was left with a gynecological condition which sent me to the hospital on more than one occasion. I was anemic and required blood transfusions. In all of these situations, a vegan must decide what is "practicable" for themselves.

On the idea of every vegan having chosen to eat something non-vegan at some point...after a sort of breaking in period, I've not generally found this to be true. There are times when vegans buy something that's not vegan accidentally and may choose to eat it instead of it being wasted (foe instance, they switched the chocolate sauce at my daughter's favorite restaurant to one with dairy which we discovered after it was already at our table.) Each person needs to decide that for themselves but some vegans would choose to eat it anyway since throwing it away wouldn't save any animal products from being used. As far as vegans choosing to just sit down and have a roast beef sandwich, that's not so common.

On veganism being the most ethical diet, I'd say that you can't measure that because there are junk-food vegans and raw vegans and vegans who don't use palm oil and all sorts of other varieties. In the same way there are larger variations in omnivorous diets

Regarding using a vegan label. I do think it's important not to say that you are vegan and then (intentionally) consume animal products, especially in a food service situation. It's not about purity or anything but about not muddling things for those who choose not to eat animal products. That is, if you eat a cheese sandwich, people might think that all "vegans" do.

All of that said, I would encourage people to do what's right for them and not to worry about it being all or nothing. We have some friends who are interested in veganism but feel daunted by the idea. They are making small changes for now: non-dairy milk in their coffee, eating veg curry instead of chicken, etc. If you feel like you could be vegan except for milk in your tea, then do that. If the thought of not having turkey at Christmas is too much, then have a "mostly vegan" diet and eat the turkey. Not to rip off Tesco, but every little helps :)

Backstabbath · 17/08/2018 10:02

Thanks for that @IamJen , I found your post really interesting and have definitely learnt a lot. 👏

butterflysugarbaby · 17/08/2018 22:31

Glad you have hidden the thread @backsabbath so we don;t have to listen to your drivel anymore.

springmachine · 17/08/2018 22:55

🤦🏻‍♀️

Frankenterfer · 17/08/2018 23:01

@IamJen agreed

springmachine · 17/08/2018 23:22

@IamJen indeed - you put it a lot better than I did Grin

Tr1skel1on · 17/08/2018 23:37

I am amazed that this subject has 24 pages!!! Really?! I eat a plant based diet, however I would never call myself veggie or vegan, too much hassle.

Plus it would mean I couldn't have (and really enjoy!!) an Oxtail cup a soup before bed when I'm craving one :)

People get way too hung up on what other people are eating. The UK obesity issue makes me think they should be worrying about what THEY are eating. Mostly plants, not too much.

ImAIdoot · 17/08/2018 23:50

Yes, but if in 6 months someone asked her how long she's been vegan for, she couldn't say 4 years, without lying.

I suppose that depends on whether you consider veganism a philosophical standpoint or a diet.

If it's just a diet, well continuity has been broken and she's a vegan once she establishes a vegan diet again.

If it's a philosophical standpoint, well people lapse from those all the time but that doesn't represent a change in your philosophy so much as a reason for guilt or reconciling yourself with your failings/human hypocrisy - a Catholic sins and is still a Catholic, an atheist goes to church and is still an atheist etc.

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