Anyone else terrified about climate change

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How on earth can we sleep at night knowing we are just sleepwalking into the abyss. Our children and their children will suffer won't they.

Cheap crap in the supermarkets isn't really a major problem.

Eating meat and dairy is the biggest problem. Owning and driving a car is the second biggest problem.

@NameChanger I may be totally wrong but I have heard that not all diary is the same. I heard that beef is much worse than the other, because cattle produces methane.

I worry to the point I make changes in my own life and foster environmental friendly choices with my kids.

But I don’t worry so much that I’m up at night about it.

I was at school in the seventies and the general concensus then was that we were DEFINITELY heading for another mini ice age within the next 50 years. Just saying

I have also heard that cattle is the worst thing on the planet for environmental damage. I'm not a scientist, so I don't know how to check if that is true or not. I think chopping down all the trees to make room for grazing pasture must play a big part though.

@FianaPrincessofThemyscira Like you I try to make environmentally friendly choices, buy organic and local, use cloths napkins instead of paper napkins but apart from that... I do fear this hot summer was a result of climate change... but I did not do any research or watch news specials on this.
There is basically not much I can do to stop climate change, apart from the small thinks I just mentioned.

As far as I’m aware the fact is humans are going to be dead within 150 years
hahahahahahah.
this is literally the most hysterical thing I've ever read.
Would you care to elaborate where you got this "fact" from?

It’s a huge worry, but worrying gets you nowhere! Make changes at home and write to MPs.

Tbh, we can’t exactly stop what’s already happening, but we might be able to mitigate against some of the effects of it. That’s my understanding anyway. I personally won’t be encouraging my dcs to have babies either, as it might be a more horrible world by then and also overpopulation etc.

Oh and I’ve heard we are going to be wiped out within ten years too. There are all sorts of predictions out there. Thing is nobody knows, obviously.

Ten years ago someone told me we’d be living in pre-Edwardian conditions by 2018 too. Not dismissing how terrible things are; they are, or could be. But just saying there are no “facts” about future human extinction, as it hasn’t happened yet.

Terror is not a helpful emotion. We can all do our small bits to personally lesson our impact, influence politicians. We, however, are little people and I fail to see how terrorizing yourself can help. The damage is largely done, we can try and slow it down. BUT this is the world we live in.How did/do people cope with bringing up children in a war-torn zone? Parents do their best, so do your own personal best and accept what you cannot change

Stephen Hawking says 100 years.

futurism.com/stephen-hawking-humanity-only-has-100-years-left-on-earth-before-doomsday/

I haven't checked that website for reliability, but I guess the real answer is nobody knows.

I don't know why, but the thought of humans the super rich ones skipping off to another planet, because we trashed this one, makes me feel kind of sick.

No doubt the Trumps will be on that space shuttle.

Eating meat is fine if it's grass fed. Well managed pastoral lands actually sequestrate lots of carbon via the soil biome. Grass fed cattle also produce a lot less methane than grain fed, due to this being what they're adapted to eat. There were tens of millions of bison in North America hundreds of years ago. There are tens of millions of feedlot grain eating cattle in North America now. Only one is an issue.

Eating grains releases megatons of carbon into the atmosphere via soil disturbance and also the huge inputs of fossil fuels required with the haber-bosch fertiliser manufacturing, tractors and combine harvesters etc.

Eating meat from animals that ate grains is by far the worst, by several orders of magnitude, due to trophic inefficiencies of 90% at each level of the food chain.

Best to eat locally produced grass fed meat and vegetables/fruit, and eschew grains, sugar and processed foods.

www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change

One warm summer and it brings the loons of doom out!;

Where do you get 150 years

Everyone involved. Stephen Hawking said 100 years.

I confidently predict that like all environmental discussions that the above will be ridiculed, discredited, ignored.

That’s what happens to climate change scientists - still true though.

If anyone fancies falling down an internet hole go and read about it and then google the dozens of scientists who are or have been at a very high level - routinely discredited, routinely ignored, routinely vilified.

What depresses me most is the idiocy of people saying it's nothing to be concerned about, or enjoy the nice summers.

The science is pretty clear.

Climate change could potentially destroy every single thing we care about on this planet. Civilisations, all the people - everyone you love and their decendants, most of the animals, the ecosystem.

Anyone who says they don't care about that is acting like a psychopath IMO. (Not saying they ARE one - but certainly acting like one).

If anyone fancies falling down an internet hole go and read about it and then google the dozens of scientists who are or have been at a very high level - routinely discredited, routinely ignored, routinely vilified
it's interesting how personal opinions view this, isn't it.
The way I perceive it is that climate change deniers are rountinely dicredited, vilified etc. and the people saying we are heading towards climate change armageddon have free rein to influence governments and policies at huge expense to the general public and very very little to show for it

But even if it were true that the environmental lobby are free to influence govts still nothing actually happens (well some things happen but the fundamental turning off of electricity/no flying/no cars/ turning off Industrial Society doesn’t happen)

We are what we DO and there is literally no doubt among environmental scientists that we have gone past the tipping point on earth.

That video posted before simply says we need to stop Industrialised Society - that is never going to happen because all the wealthy people are going to live until they die on their wealth.

I don’t know anyone including me who would walk out to my electric box and turn it off and live the next (approx 30) years to my death without it. And then tell everyone to do the same. And then lobby and march every day until they did it. Until EVERYONE did it - all businesses, all governments, everyone.

And that’s what the above video says needs to happen.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/15/50-years-climate-change-denial

This article is recent and interesting

When all the scientists agree that so called global warming is a fact, and that humans, rather than solar activity are to blame, then I might start to be concerned. Has everyone forgotten how very cold last Winter was?

The fact is though that NOT all scientists and experts agree.

Calm down. Enjoy this lovely hot summer, because I wouldn't mind betting we won't see another one like this for quite a few years.

Anyway, at least this topic gives some people something else to be 'terrified' about other than Brexit!!

TBH I struggle to get upset about this - we're all going to die and how we die is practically irrelevant. If we all die at the same time the result is no different than if we all die at different times. We're still dead. If no one is left on earth, who will care? Certainly not the dead people. The animals might be happy about it though!

If it all goes tits up then essentially we tried to live on the planet and failed, due to our inability to plan ahead. Many species don't survive. The fact that we get so wound up about it says a lot for our arrogance I think.

If everyone stopped using cars and flying tomorrow a huge difference could be made. But people just won't, including the people who are 'terrified' - so what can be done? Nothing. Do the bits you're willing to do and hope for the best. You could go under a bus in the morning.

Jeez. This is crazy. You're all whipping each other up into a frenzy of misinformation and panic.

Stephen Hawking's views are way, way outside of mainstream scientific thinking. That doesn't mean he's wrong, but it does mean that there's absolutely no consensus of opinion around this viewpoint. Which leads me to believe that we don't have only 100 years to colonize another planet and that we're going to be absolutely fine where we are.

Just for the heck of it, why not spend a completely week immersing yourself in the work of the many scientists who aren't catastrophizing about the end of the world. There are plenty of them out there, and - despite what you might think - they're not multimillionaire weirdos, shills for the oil companies or random eccentrics. Do that, and see how you feel afterwards.

I'm amazed at the numbers of people who are happy for the government to increase their taxes in the name of being "green". I'm sure they'd happily increase tax at the drop of a hat given half a chance, but believing that governments can control the climate is absolutely ridiculous! Why would you want to surrender your power (and your money) in this way?

We should be incredibly grateful for fossil fuels. Incredibly grateful. We'd all be dead in 3 weeks without them. And developing countries desperately need them in order to start enjoying anything like the standards of living we have.

People have always - throughout recorded history - made catastrophic predictions about the end of the world. It seems to be part of the human condition. What these predictions often cannot take into consideration is advances in science and technology and human beings' incredible ability to adapt, survive and thrive even in the most adverse conditions.

No, we'll be seeing a heck of a lot more of them, along with moorland and forest fires. Manchester, that village decimated in Greece, massive Mendocino complex fire in California... heck there's even been forest fires in Sweden this summer above the Arctic Circle. Not very conducive to enjoying one's summer

there is literally no doubt among environmental scientists that we have gone past the tipping point on earth

Sorry, I know you're very anxious and everything but this is a laughable statement. What does this even mean? And where is the experimental data that proves this?

Spaghetti... 200 species per day hurtle into the abyss of extinction, thanks to human industrialised activity, 10x the background rate. Humans are welcome to fuck up their own species and face an early demise, but let's not take down all the other creatures and lifeforms on the plant with us.

kimcheese there have ALWAYS been forest fires and moorland fires. ALWAYS
And what happened in Manchester?