So he lied then

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We’re are the calls for Corbyn and the rest of the any semites to step down

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/13/jeremy-corbyn-admits-present-wreath-laid-munich-massacre-terrorists/

The silence speaks for it self

Labour have themselves to blame, not Corbyn.
They elected him, they made the same mistake with the wrong Milliband.
Yes, you can argue the unions are the ones calling the shots, but it's still The Labour Party at fault.

The way the Tory Party elects its leader means I’d be astonished if Boris is ever PM.

No point in having the perfect leader if you're not in power.

But kitty remember how astonished we were when Trump was elected?. Boris could be PM. He is the darling of the elderly Conservative party members. I think after Boris’ coaching sessions with Steve Bannon he is sticking with the Conservative grassroots but also going for tommehrobinson/ EDL and UKIP vote.
I might vote Corbyn but let’s see how his Brexit position evolves. He will lose votes to the libs over that. Unless somebody else steps up the country is so fucked.

The Labour Party has commonly been held to be 'socialist' in essence, but it is not, and never has been an actual socialist party.
Its values fall very close to socialist ones, hence it's common association.
I don't know what Tory or Labour actually stand for any more. They change with the wind.

I quite like Tom Watson, but Labour are struggling to find an appealing leader. So are the Tories for that matter.
That said, it's a crying shame that in order to get elected, you have to have a popular leader, not popular policies.
We're going to be just like America. Perhaps we already are.

Boris has a lot of support within the Tory party that is why he was Foreign Secretary May wasn’t going to sack him keep your enemies close

He is also hugely popular with voters that is why Leave won the referendum

The Labour Party are not and never have been a socialist party. They have had to move to be centre wo be on government and won’t be again until they have those centre floating voters and of course a good leader someone that is actually up to the job to take on the Tories

Boris is popular with the electorate. I dint understand it, but I recognize. But he has to become leader of the Tory party, first. And he doesn’t have a lot of support in the Tory party - he’s widely disliked and mistrusted. May’s scared of him, for sure, but his appointment was a sop to the electorate, not to the party.

Moving to the right to achieve power doesn’t mean the tenets of the party aren’t left! They were socialist under MacDonald; Attlee. They were socialist under Foot. Never been a socialist st party?!?!?

Boris plays on the loveable oaf. It works.
I suspect it's starting to wear thin now, but it's worked miracles for him thus far.
In many ways he is like Trump. Populist views and seen as 'different' from the rest perhaps eccentric. People like that.

Given Brexit, Trump, Farage etc - who could possibly predict voters these days?

They may not trust him or even like him that doesn’t mean they won’t support him

But don’t think he wouldn’t be supported should he run for leader the party knows he is popular with voters and the Tories are far more eager to stay in power than Labour are

Who else do they have at the moment unless someone on the back benches is pushed forward

They weren't and never have been socialist (not technically). They are democratic socialists which is sort of a cut back version of full blown socialism.
They don't actually believe in 100% state control of all industries and economies as would be the case in a true socialist state. They just believe in intervention by the state when necessary.

If the Tory's believe he's the biggest vote winner, they'll back him. Simple as that.
Get in power - then argue the toss.

*Tories - I'm tired!

The Tories haven’t unfailingly elected the leader thought to stand the best chance with the electorate! Where’s that come from? IDS; Hague; Howard? If they’d wanted to be invincible in the 90s, they’d have gone with Ken Clarke, and possibly Heseltine. But they couldn’t bring themselves to, and fucked it.

They were up against Blair who was hugely popular with voters and Labour had moved more to the centre (and also altered the Clause IV)

It was a short period that the Tories have not pulled together. They are fighting now we are well aware of that when they absolutely have to pull together the Tories usually do in recent times Article 50 vote and if they think Labour are a threat to their power the absolutely certainly will they are not he most successful political party ever without reason

Well a few issues there...

Never said they always had, just reflecting on what I think they will do now.

What or who the Tories believe will be a vote winner might not tally with who actually is.

They're more likely to be blase about it when confident. But their confidence is sometimes misguided.

As it stands today, I think they'd back Boris if it would win them an election. They're in the same boat as Labour with a leader lacking in credibility and public confidence, and no other serious contenders that would be a hit with a large segment of the population... except for Boris.

Neither party seems to have any inspiration, let alone ability to inspire the public.

Brexit has really messed things up as there was no party line on either side. Remain and leave split both parties. Brexit optimism is very low, but nobody dare harp on about remain as it sounds bitter, and it's nigh on impossible to stop now.

Because of Brexit (I think), our internal politics seems to have largely stood still. Neither party has any idea what to do. Labour can't play an adversari al role because it didn't oppose Brexit, and neither does it have any real plan of its own for what happens once we leave. Nobody has a plan.

In reality, it won't be our government that decides what happens to us, it will be our businesses who either make or break us.

As a floating / Tory voter, I think Corbyn is awesome.

As a remainer, I wish he was vaguely pro-EU or even a slightly effective leader of the opposition.

I think our mainstream media have lost the plot. The more they try to discredit Corbyn with pathetic stories about wreath laying and nuclear button pushing, the more people they will convince that there is no difference whatsoever between our mainstream media and fake news from any other sources - lots of half-truths or blatant misrepresentations designed to manipulate. I see little integrity in any of these stories, just hysteria. And the more the establishment media hate someone these days, the more fucking appealing the supposed pariah becomes, frankly, particularly when the stories are all so boring, badly researched and, frankly, photoshopped.

Yawn. Usual suspects wading in to do the tabloids work for them.

Love the way Tories like Johnson get a free pass because they are “popular”.

Keep the Tories in power Brexit will destroy them anyway. This is ultimately what all the frothing and faux outrage is about anyway.

Labour can't play an adversari al role because it didn't oppose Brexit,

Yes they can.

Labour should oust corbyn and get a new leader who supports remain. The tories are driving a disastorous Brexit and everyone is standing around watching them.

I think Boris has lost traction amongst mainstream voters. His gaffes as foreign Sec have given them a taste they don’t like. However, as I said before he has the Tory grassroots and now he’s going for the Tommy Robinson supporters. I don’t think -hope- it will not be enough.

There are claims of islamaphobia in the Tory party but those that suffer selective outrage do not want to address it.