So he lied then

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We’re are the calls for Corbyn and the rest of the any semites to step down

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/13/jeremy-corbyn-admits-present-wreath-laid-munich-massacre-terrorists/

The silence speaks for it self

*that there is no evidence.

@sunshinesupermum: yep

I don't believe people expect Jews to just shut up - I think they want to understand what anti-semitic incidents are happening in the Labour Party, and how they relate to Corbyn, and his condemnation (or not) of them. I don't think people know what those specific incidents are.

Can somebody detail them?

Sure

Here's a list of some of the incidents

1. Corbyn came to the defence of Sheikh Raed Salah, who revived the medieval anti-Semitic ‘blood libel’ slur that Jews cook with children’s blood. Salah was arrested by British police in 2011 when he was due to speak at an event in the House of Commons – alongside Corbyn. In 2012 Corbyn called Salah ‘a very honoured citizen’.

1. Labour Students at Oxford University Labour Club mocked the Jewish victims of the Paris kosher supermarket attack, called Auschwitz a ‘cash cow’, and used the Neo-Nazi slur ‘Zio’, according to extensive testimony from Jewish students. After months of obfuscation, including an NEC decision to not publish a party report that concluded there had been ‘some incidents’ of anti-Semitic behaviour, Labour’s NEC decided not to discipline the key perpetrators.

1. A Jewish Labour MP, Ruth Smeeth, was sent a 1,000 word death threat from a Corbyn-supporter calling her a ‘yid c–t’. The threat followed Smeeth’s decision to walk out of a meeting outlining Labour’s response to anti-semitism because she was accused of working ‘hand in hand with the right-wing media to attack Jeremy’. Smeeth then received 20,000 abusive messages and has since questioned whether Labour is still ‘a safe space for British Jews’.

1. A Labour council candidate in Peterborough, Alan Bull, shared anti-Semitic material online which claimed that the Holocaust was a ‘hoax’. The Labour party was made aware of the posts in 2017, but only suspended the candidate when contacted by the Jewish Chronicle in March 2018. Bull says he has never denied the Holocaust and re-posted the article in question to find out what his friends thought of it.

1. Jeremy Corbyn was an active member of an ‘anti-Semitic’ Facebook group, ‘Palestine Live’. The group included Holocaust denial, 9/11 conspiracy theories and anti-Semitic slurs. He said he did not see the offensive posts and left in 2015.

1. A former Labour parliamentary candidate in Witham, John Clarke, shared a Neo-Nazi meme saying the Rothschild family has used money lending and Israel to ‘take over the world’. He said the meme ‘contained a great deal of truth’ and was later suspended.

1. Jeremy Corbyn had a ten-year association with a group which denied the Holocaust. Mr Corbyn was a ‘stalwart’ supporter of Deir Yassin Remembered, attending events in 2013, with the group’s founder, Paul Eisen, a self-professed Holocaust denier.

1. Jackie Walker, formerly vice-chair of Momentum, said Jews were the ‘chief financiers of the sugar and slave trade’, criticised security for Jewish schools, and said Holocaust Memorial Day was not ‘inclusive’ enough. After the comments were made and widely condemned, Corbyn shared a platform and campaigned alongside Walker.

1. Jeremy Corbyn hosted an Islamic cleric in Parliament in 2009, who in 2006 wrote that ‘Europe has made political correctness, the cult of the Holocaust and Jew-worshipping its alternative religion’.

10. Nasreen Khan, a Labour council candidate subsequently barred from standing, asked: ‘What have the Jews done good in this world?’. She said schools were ‘brainwashing us and our children into thinking the bad guy was Hitler’ and said ‘Jews have reaped the rewards of playing victims’.

11. A Labour councillor in Birmingham, Zafar Iqbal, shared a David Duke video on Facebook entitled ‘CNN Goldman Sachs and the Zio Matrix’. The Labour party accepted Mr Iqbal’s apology and claim that he had have no recollection of sharing this video’ – no disciplinary proceedings were enacted.

12. Two Jewish Labour councillors in Haringey resigned, saying it is impossible to be a Jewish Labour councillor due to overwhelming anti-Semitic abuse. Joe Goldberg and Natan Doron reported that ‘many members have repeated to me assertions about Jews having big noses, controlling the media and being wealthy’, and that a fellow councillor accused Goldberg of ‘bagel-barrel politics’. On his resignation, a Haringey Momentum activist tweeted to Goldberg: ‘At least [you] will have more time to count your money.’ Mr Goldberg said complaints he made to party officials were dismissed.

13. Andrew Slack, a councillor in Chesterfield, was suspended after sharing an anti-Semitic meme of a blood-smeared, hook-nosed Israeli soldier. The meme said ‘Israel was created by the Rothschilds’.

14. Bethany Barker, a student activist who introduced Jeremy Corbyn at a 2017 local elections campaign event, described a Kippah as a ‘Jew cap’ and said Andres Breivik, the Norwegian far-right terrorist, should ‘get forced to live in a synagogue’.

15. Pam Bromley, a Labour Councillor in Lancashire, posted links to an antisemitic article entitled ‘World War 3: Trump Begins Paying His Homage to Rothschilds,’ commenting ‘we must remember that Rothschilds are a powerful financial family (like the Medicis) and represent capitalism and big business’. Bromley is still a Labour councillor and no disciplinary action has been taken.

16. Ken Livingstone reportedly said a Jewish journalist was ‘just like a concentration camp guard’, that Jews vote Tory because they are rich and that Hitler supported Zionism. Despite his attempt to draw a parallel between those who fought for Jewish freedom and those who perpetrated a Jewish genocide, Livingstone was only given a temporary suspension from a party disciplinary panel – a decision Corbyn supported, despite 100 Labour MPs calling for Livingstone’s expulsion.

17. Terence Flanagan, a member of Hampstead and Kilburn CLP, compared a Jewish councillor to Josef Goebbels and, when calling for his expulsion, referred to former Labour donor Michael Foster allegedly as ‘the Jewish millionaire’. Flanagan was suspended, but then readmitted to the party after formal written warning.

18. Tim Lezard was offered a job to work at Labour’s Southside HQ, despite tweeting ‘I’m thinking of setting up another new campaign group. Either Conservative Friends of Nazis, or Nazi Friends of Israel.’ When his tweets were revealed the job offer was rescinded.

19. Labour Party member and Momentum Teesside activist Bob Campbell has shared an image of a rat marked with a Star of David and claimed Israel controls ISIS. Campbell denied to the press that he had been suspended by the party.

20. Mike Sivier, author of the far-left Vox Political blog, has claimed there is a ‘conspiracy’ between Jews and those who defend them in the UK, saying: ‘We are being told that agents of a foreign country have infiltrated our institutions’. He was due to stand as a Labour candidate in council elections in 2017 but was suspended before the ballot took place.

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21. Labour Councillor and former Labour Mayor of Blackburn, Salim Mulla, called Zionist Jews a ‘disgrace to humanity’, endorsed a video which blamed Israel for school shootings in the USA, and said ‘Zionism’ was orchestrating ISIS. After an initial suspension he was reinstated as a Labour member.

22. In 2016, Aysegul Gurbuz, a Labour councillor in Luton, resigned after tweet surfaced where she said Hitler was ‘the greatest man in history’.

23. The chair of Manchester Labour Students, Tayyib Nawaz, resigned after tweets surfaced where he claimed ‘Hitler was Jewish’ and Israel was comparable to ISIS.

24. A Labour Council candidate in Great Yarmouth claimed ‘it’s the super rich families of the Zionist lobby that control the world. Our world leaders sell their souls for greed and do the bidding of Israel.’ He was then dropped as a candidate.

25. Far-left activist Gerry Downing, a Labour member who claimed the existence of a ‘Jewish question’, said ‘elements of the Jewish-Zionist bourgeoisie… have played a vanguard role for the capitalist offensive against the workers’, was expelled after then Prime Minister David Cameron brought his case up at PMQs.

26. Terry Kelly, a councillor in Renfrewshire, wrote that the ‘American Jewish lobby is extremely powerful and it has its boot on Obama’s neck’ and that the film ‘The King’s Speech’ might not win an Oscar because ‘there is a powerful Jewish lobby campaigning against the film because of its historical inaccuracy about Hitler and the anti-Semitism’. Mr Kelly was temporarily suspended in May 2016 before being reinstated a month later.

27. Naz Shah, MP for Bradford West, was suspended from the party for sharing a post suggesting Israel should be ‘relocated’ to the United States and for saying that ‘the Jews are rallying’ to a Daily Mirror poll. She later apologised and was re-instated.

28. Former chair of Spitalfields and Banglatown Labour Party, Musabbir Ali, tweeted a far-right ‘timeline of the Jewish Genocide of the British People’. He was suspended after a complaint from the Jewish Labour Movement.

29. Former Lord Mayor of Bradford and Labour Councillor, Khadim Hussain, shared Facebook posts saying ‘Hitler killed six million Zionists’ and implying Israel ‘created the so-called ISIS and… is arming those vile terrorists!’ He was suspended and subsequently resigned from the Labour party.

30. Jeremy Corbyn called antisemitic terror groups Hamas and Hezbollah ‘our friends’ when inviting them to speak in Parliament. He claimed the invitation to Hezbollah was ‘absolutely the right function of using parliamentary facilities’ and that the group was committed to ‘social justice and political justice’. Corbyn later said this was ‘inclusive language I used, which with hindsight I would rather not have used’.

31. Labour member John McAuliffe was suspended for describing the Holocaust as a ‘useful political tool’ of Israel ‘to establish a financial racket’, in a Facebook status.

32. Josh Simons, formerly a policy adviser in Corbyn’s office, said one member of Corbyn’s team referred to a ‘Jewish conspiracy’ in office discussions. Simons claimed Seumas Milne, Corbyn’s chief spokesperson, subjected him to an ‘inquisition’ about being Jewish, his family and his attitude to Israel.

33. A Momentum activist, Marlene Ellis, was suspended after saying, in an open letter in defence of Ken Livingstone, that Zionists were ‘involved with Nazis’ and that Labour sought to ‘curry favour with… the pro-Zionist lobby in and beyond the media’.

34. In December 2016, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn attended the book launch of – and posed for pictures with – Hatem Bazian, organised by the Islamic Human Rights Commission (the IHRC). Bazian later apologised for anti-Semitic tweets where he shared a picture of an ultra-orthodox Jewish man with the message: ‘Mom, look! I is chosen! I can now kill, rape, smuggle organs and steal the land of Palestinians ‘Yay’ #Ashke-Nazi.’

35. Miqdad Al-Nuaimi, a Labour Councillor in Newport, was suspended after tweeting that ‘#Israel regime and army are increasingly assuming the arrogance and genocidal character of the #Nazis’ and that ‘ISIS leader Al-Baghdadi dies in Israeli hospital…If confirmed, the #Israeli connection is very interesting’. He was initially suspended, but then cleared by the Labour party.

36. ‘Labour Insider’ blogger Phillip Jones branded Jewish journalist Emma Barnett a ‘Zionist’ after she challenged Corbyn on Labour’s spending plans on Women’s Hour.

37. Afzal Khan, then a Labour MEP and now the MP for Manchester Gorton, compared Israel to Nazis. No disciplinary action was taken.

38. A Labour council candidate in Wiltshire, Terry Couchman, ranted on social media about ‘ZioNazi stormtroopers of IsraHell’ and ‘fake Jews of IsraHell and the USA’. He was later suspended.

39. Vicki Kirby, formerly a Labour parliamentary candidate in Woking, had her membership reinstated after tweeting that Hitler might be a ‘Zionist God’ and Jews have ‘big noses’. She was subsequently re-suspended by the party.

40. Luke Cresswell, a Labour Councillor in Suffolk, tweeted an image of a blood-soaked Israeli flag, accused Israel of genocide and captioned the image ‘Moses must be proud of you’. Though initially suspended, he was then re-admitted, and subsequently selected as a councillor.

41. Alison Gove-Humphries, a Labour council candidate in Birmingham, was deselected after sharing allegedly ‘anti-Semitic’ Facebook posts.

42. Max Tasker, a Labour Councillor in North Wales, posted Youtube videos to his facebook page with entitled: ‘Is ISIS good for the Jews?’, ‘The whole story of Zionist conspiracy: the filthy history of pedophilia, murder and bigotry’, ‘Not for the immature! Zionist Antichrist will rule the [New World Order]’ and ‘Ukraine’s anti-Russian stance is a Zionist masterplan’.

43. A Labour councillor in Nottingham, Ilyas Aziz, was reinstated by Labour after being suspended for sharing posts from Neo-Nazi David Icke and a page called ‘Israel – Rothschilds’ Frankenstein Monster’.

44. Labour’s 2015 and 2017 parliamentary candidate in Tiverton and Honiton, Caroline Kolek, claimed Tory MP Nadhim Zahawi was buying oil from ISIS to sell to Israel, and that Israel was behind The Sun newspaper’s push for UK military action in Syria. She also tweeted a quote by Mr Livingstone in which he claimed to be the victim of a 35-year smear campaign by the ‘Israel lobby’.

45. Rebecca Massey, a member in Hove, tweeted that ‘Israel has Tory and Labour parties under control’, and believes Labour’s anti-Semitism crisis is ‘manufactured’. No action was taken and Ms Massey went on to be appointed Treasurer of Hove and Portslade Labour Party.

46. Mohammed Shabbir, a Labour Councillor in Bradford, tweeted the conspiracy theory that Israel was behind ISIS, accused Jews of ‘playing the Holocaust card’, and said the BBC was run by a ‘hasbara media cartel’.

47. Corbyn supporters in Bristol erected a 100 foot banner that depicted Theresa May wearing Star of David earrings, alongside anti Conservative slogans. Local Labour MP Thangam Debbonaire slammed the banner as anti-Semitic and it was taken down.

48. Jeremy Corbyn defended in 2012 an anti-Semitic mural in East London that depicted Jewish bankers playing a monopoly-style game on the backs of the poor. He has since apologised.

49. Jeremy Corbyn wrote a letter of support for Stephen Sizer, a vicar disciplined by the Church of England for sharing an article on social media entitled ‘9/11: Israel Did It’.

50. At a fringe event at Labour Party Conference 2017 a speaker said people should be allowed to question whether the Holocaust happened, and there were calls for the Jewish Labour Movement to be expelled from the party.

Source: blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/labours-pockets-of-anti-semitism-the-evidence/

This has links for each individual example and allegation her. Yes it's the spectator, but it links out to multiple sources. If you believe every single one is an anti Corbyn conspiracy then not much I can do to persuade you otherwise)

Do I believe Jeremy Corbyn is himself an anti-Semite? No

Do I think he's demonstrated a systematic unwillingness to acknowledge or deal with the anti semitic behaviour that's sadly been growing within the party? Yes. Corbyn and the NEC have been very happy to look the other way until public pressure meant they couldn't keep ignoring it.

He can't be held accountable for bigoted nutters in his party making blatantly antisemitic comments. But his willingness to look the other way, and intransigence in dealing with these individuals, has been stark

The Board of Deputies of British Jews, a Jewish community organisation, met with Jeremy Corbyn directly.

This was their account of the meeting:

"Corbyn wrote in yesterday’s Evening Standard that “anti-Semitism is a poison that must be challenged wherever it raises its head

We asked that Labour put in a fixed timetable to deal with anti-Semitism cases; Corbyn and his team said that would not be possible.

We asked that they should expedite the long-standing cases involving serial offenders Ken Livingstone and Jackie Walker; Corbyn made only vague commitments.

We asked that no MP should share a platform with somebody expelled or suspended for anti-Semitism; Corbyn said he could not give us that guarantee.

We asked that there be transparent oversight of Labour’s disciplinary process. Corbyn was not forthcoming."

Source: www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/sadly-we-still-cannot-trust-jeremy-corbyn-over-antisemitism-a3823241.html

Clearly this is only one side of the story. But certainly at the time, it didn't suggest an active commitment to turn words into actions.

Corbyn’s stated and beautifully expressed desire to stamp out anti-Semitism has been articulated many times in letters and newspaper articles. But that's not the same as actually taking serious and meaningful action.

The Munich massacre is one of the few things I've read about which has genuinely sickened me. This wasn't abstract political power play, it was revolting, inhumane torture and murder of people who were not even combatants. The first two victims died trying to protect their friends and team-mates.

Regardless of what his intentions were, Corbyn was either colossally stupid or arrogant to allow himself to be associated, however tangentially, with the perpetrators. Either that, or there really is something rather sinister in his personal belief system.

I find it very telling that bananafish1 has nothing to say about Boris Johnson or NHS cuts.

Something something far right propaganda something. Quick look everyone a flamingo.

Thank you bananafish81

Bananafish81 of course. My apologies.

ImAldoot This thread isn't about Boris Johnson or NHS cuts in case you hadn't noticed. This is about Anti Semitism aka Jews should just shut the fxxk up.

A back bench MP, laying a wreath for murderers, you can not see even any remote issue?

Because HE wasn't one of the ACTUAL murderers at Munich. He was 'alleged' to have been in the same organisation.
And if he was in that organisation, how does it differ from those affiliated with the IRA? People attended McGuinness' funeral and that was deemed ok, despite his very well documented allegiance to the IRA.
He then went on to do some great things. Do we judge him on his bad, or his good things?

Nelson Mandela was considered a terrorist. He sanctioned a car bomb that killed 19 from within prison. He advocated cutting off the noses of black traitors. He was condemned by the UK for many years, but eventually hailed as a wonderful man.

ImAldoot This thread isn't about Boris Johnson or NHS cuts in case you hadn't noticed. This is about Anti Semitism aka Jews should just shut the fxxk up.

I think she's taking the piss out of the posters who 'Whatabout...!' whenever anyone dares to criticise Corbyn.

She just succeeded in winding me up Daisy! Thanks for the flowers x

TomFromTheInside - can you tell us of any specific 'good deeds' etc that the 'martyrs' commemorated by Corbyn went on to do after orchestrating & carrying out numerous terrorist acts?

ImAldootThis thread isn't about Boris Johnson or NHS cuts in case you hadn't noticed. This is about Anti Semitism aka Jews should just shut the fxxk up.

I was only joking.

I feel almost a bit sorry for Corbynites, it must be disconcerting to be in a conversation where you can't just say the other person is racist and consider yourself to have won.

It's actually very telling that when their glorious leader is actually racist, they don't give a shiny shit! Where is the outrage now?

I doubt bananafish is a Farage loving brexiteer, like many of those suddenly furious with corbyn.

I’m always on threads about anti-semitism on mn, probably for about the last ten years. of course It’s a never ending fight - There is a lot of it about- like the twat on this thread...

I am very interested to see all the people who are standing with us now and I hope and trust that this is a long term thing and not just an anti corbyn thing.

I doubt bananafish is a Farage loving brexiteer

Funnily enough, no, I'm not! I'm a Labour voter, Labour party member and I voted Remain

Corbyn’s stated and beautifully expressed desire to stamp out anti-Semitism has been articulated many times in letters and newspaper articles. But that's not the same as actually taking serious and meaningful action.

I don't disagree with what you're saying on this. But I think it's a problem for the Labour Party as a whole. Yes, Corbyn is the leader, and as such has to take a leadership stance - but in reality he won't be able to do that as he has no real power. He's a figurehead.
I think he's compromised because he appears to have a strong sympathy for Palestine and little regard for Israel (nothing wrong with that, we can all have a view on the rights and wrongs) - but does that view extend to Jews? Who knows. I don't think so, but then we never want to imagine anybody is prejudice, but most of us are in some form or other).

I would imagine someone could draw up a list of racism, sexism and ageism incidents too, and demand that he address those too. Perhaps he should!

What is it that people want him to actually do? - you say 'actions' but the Labour Party has processes in place to deal with such prejudices. If those processes aren't working, they need to change until they are.
But Corbyn can't just sack someone, or suspend them of his own volition, there has to be an investigation etc.

What I suspect it happening is that there are plenty of these issues (as
you've documented) along with lots of others (sexism, racism etc), so many in all political parties that they do their best to keep them brushed under the carpet. I think they probably do want to eradicate them, but serious punishment means exposing it to the public, and then we'd all see the real truth of how widespread and awful a lot of politicians behaviour and attitudes are (perhaps not that far from the general public!).

I doubt bananafish is a Farage loving brexiteer,like many of those suddenly furious with corbyn.

I would actually anti-Semitism is one of the key markers that divides actual far right lunatics from those that people like to pretend are far right.

One of the reasons it's good that we defeated the Nazis. Not to be allowed again.

I mean blood libel in this day and age? That can fuck right off.

I’m always on threads about anti-semitism on mn, probably for about the last ten years. of course It’s a never ending fight - There is a lot of it about- like the twat on this thread...

Hold on - I'm defending what I believe to be a media hounding of Corbyn - a man I do not have much time for, based on the evidence I've seen over this 'laying of a wreath'.
That is NOT anti-semitic.

I accept that some people have more sympathy for Palestine than Israel. It does not mean I have to believe that, but I accept their belief. It's not anti-semitic.

I accept precisely the same that some people want a united Ireland, and others want Northern Ireland to be part of the UK. I don't support the IRA, but I understand their cause.
I don't support the UDA or UDF either, but I understand their view too.

I am pointing out that the Munich killings were horrific. But they were no more horrific than countless other acts of terrorism, and how we view terrorism depends very much on how history writes the story.
We wiped out 20,000 innocent people in Dresden - 20,000. We knew they would be innocent. We chose to let them die because we believed the 'cause' was worth it. It almost certainly was worth it (imo), but again, how we portray one set of deaths vs another very much depends on which side of the fence you're looking at it from.

We are up in arms over deaths 40 years ago, and yet we standing on the sidelines at countless other mass killings happening today. In some cases we are supplying arms to some of the perpetrators of it.

There's not a single anti-semitic sentiment in any of that. Why would there be?

By all means, let's debate, but don't start throwing out accusations like that.

Torn, I didn’t mean you!

Please accept my apologies then! xx

I don't believe people expect Jews to just shut up - I think they want to understand what anti-semitic incidents are happening in the Labour Party, and how they relate to Corbyn, and his condemnation (or not) of them. I don't think people know what those specific incidents are.

Can somebody detail them?

What did you think the furore was about, if you weren't aware of the kinds of incidents that have made up the Labour antisemitism controversy?

If the people defending JC don't actually know what the incidents in question are, then how do you know what you're defending?

I would imagine someone could draw up a list of racism, sexism and ageism incidents too, and demand that he address those too. Perhaps he should!

Hmm, there's that 'Stop whining Jews!' whiff again....

'Stop complaining, we could make a list of complaints about anything, stop making such a fuss!'

What is it that people want him to actually do? - you say 'actions' but the Labour Party has processes in place to deal with such prejudices. If those processes aren't working, they need to change until they are.

BINGO!

That's the whole bloody point! That the processes aren't working, and that they need to change!!!

Finally.

That is precisely it. That there are endemic issues within the Labour Party, and that the current processes aren't working, and that the leader and NEC don't have any problem with that.

But Corbyn can't just sack someone, or suspend them of his own volition, there has to be an investigation etc

Yes. There does have to be an investigation etc. And the processes are such that these aren't being dealt with.

You ask, what do people want him to do. It's right there in my post. I'll repost it for clarity.

"A leading Jewish community organisation met with Corbyn to discuss precisely this:

We asked that Labour put in a fixed timetable to deal with anti-Semitism cases; Corbyn and his team said that would not be possible.

We asked that they should expedite the long-standing cases involving serial offenders Ken Livingstone and Jackie Walker; Corbyn made only vague commitments.

We asked that no MP should share a platform with somebody expelled or suspended for anti-Semitism; Corbyn said he could not give us that guarantee.

We asked that there be transparent oversight of Labour’s disciplinary process. Corbyn was not forthcoming."

He can say how there is zero tolerance for anti semitism, that it must be rooted out, that there is no room for it in the Labour Party. But if he and the NEC aren't willing to make any meaningful steps to demonstrate that they're serious about this, then it's just words.

The anti-Semite was reported by quite a few people I think, as it was a mass email from MNHQ in response to the reports.

Tom deliberately mutilating and torturing athletes before murdering them is beyond the pale in my book. Dresden was part of a world war situation and unavoidable.

(Last post was in response to Tom & Helmet)