So he lied then

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We’re are the calls for Corbyn and the rest of the any semites to step down

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/08/13/jeremy-corbyn-admits-present-wreath-laid-munich-massacre-terrorists/

The silence speaks for it self

Absolutely no idea how you can link Corbyn and trump.

Both are subversive of the political orthodoxy at a time when millions are disenfranchised.

Both are seen as authentic enough to be worth a few blemishes by their supporters.

Both have falsely accused the media of lying.

Both have (just objectively, I am not a voter for either) been the target of propaganda and outright lies by the media.

Both are seen as enough of a threat to the political ruling classes that they have been targeted with unsubstantiated accusations of being in league with Russia in the hope that if you keep saying it long enough, it will stick without having enough evidence to depose or arrest them.

Both have been surrounded by race controversy, which is viewed as lies to shut them down by their supporters, and a sign of how dangerous they are by their opponents.

Etc.

Every single time Corbyn is discussed in negative terms, the same posters pop up with "BUT SAUDI"

Whatabout! Whatabout! Whatabout!

Decrying someone's behaviour, (who also lied about it) can be done alongside decrying other people's behaviour eg members of the Tory party. The two don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Corbyn has done similar wriggling regarding his dealings with the IRA.

They are rarely done alongside. That is my point. When you point this out cries of whataboutery. So disingenuous.

Every single time Corbyn is discussed in negative terms, the same posters pop up with "BUT SAUDI"

Particularly odd when the only reason any current politician has not been in the pocket of Saudi Arabia et al yet is because they have not had any power.

If people are worried the sky will fall over Brexit, just wait until some British PM tries telling governments, investors and other interests from Saudi, Qatar etc where to go and refusing to sell them weapons - job losses and port closures don't begin to describe the economical effects this would have.

*economic

Daisy

Thing is - listening to his statement on the BBC - he seems to say "Yes I was there and part of the wreath laying to honour those killed in the PLO bombing. There was another wreath laid at the same time, I was present but I don't think I was part of that. " So we don't really know which wreath the picture shows him holding. Do we?

If war generates cash or is in the political interest it’s deemed absolutely fine. That’s how morality gets spun. That’s why I won’t read from the moral compass of the right.

People who scream about the the actions of one politician but ignore the questionable actions of others need challenging.

Well yes.

It’s long been a bug-bear of mine the number of people who are furious about Israel - and yet don’t give a 2nd thought to other countries... it always makes me think, eh...do they really truly care about human rights or ...

And so with corbyn (who I’ve always disliked!) but all these people suddenly extremely furious with him for his anti-semitism and not a word about the racism of the party in power...?

You can call itwhatabboutery, I say there’s something fishy...

So we don't really know which wreath the picture shows him holding. Do we?

Yes, we do.
The series of pictures shows exactly where that wreath was laid.

People who scream about the the actions of one politician but ignore the questionable actions of others need challenging.

The irony of these types of comments is the utter lack of self awareness, those making these types of comments only question one side of politician themselves. It's evident on this thread.

I think the idea that you want to do everything you have to do and think it's fine is the problem. Essentially naivete.

I could accept naive moral idealism from a political faction that wasn't led by Jeremy Corbyn and his followers. The belief you're heroic and infallible combined with a "moral compass" that is ok with labelling/dehumanizing of all who disagree, and an apparent alignment with terrorists intentionally massacring civilians for political purposes is a recipe for some very bad things indeed.

It’s the motive behind the stories and the motives of the people involved that are important. Look behind the tabloid style hysteria.

Dehumanising? Like when Muslim women get compared to letter boxes?

Look behind the tabloid style hysteria.

Agree.
But when you look behind it, the facts remain unchanged.

Corbyn has continually & deliberately aligned himself with odious people, especially terrorists.

Fine for an obscure backbencher? Perhaps.
But for the leader of the biggest political party in the UK? No.

People who scream about the the actions of one politician but ignore the questionable actions of others need challenging.

I massively question the actions of Tory politicians. Because I don't trust the Tories, they're dishonest, I disagree with their policies and I don't believe they care about the best interests of the British people

As a Labour party member and a British Jew, I feel betrayed when the leader of my party, whose reputation as a deeply principled man and defender of human rights, sees fit to ignore bigotry within the party. When my party shows a rising level of anti semitism, and the leader and NEC have been consistently willing to look the other way.

I don't expect the Tories to have principles - I do expect the Labour leader to take a stand against hate speech within the party however.

I am NOT saying anything about Israeli politics or the Palestinian cause. I am not conflating criticism of Israel with anti semitism. I am talking about genuine anti semitic slurs and hatred of Jews. That Corbyn has been willing to overlook and reluctant to challenge. That no one seems willing to acknowledge on this thread.

In order to work for peace and understand the other side you talk to the other side. It’s how we got the GFA.

People keep saying they don’t expect Tories to have principles but this gives them a free pass,which is utterly wrong. They are in government they should be held to account not met with apathy.

In order to work for peace and understand the other side you talk to the other side. It’s how we got the GFA.

Corbyn only ever talks to the side he agrees with though.

In order to work for peace and understand the other side you talk to the other side. It’s how we got the GFA.

So which Israelis has he spoken to? Which conferences has he attended? Which loyalists did he speak to during the Troubles?

In order to work for peace and understand the other side you talk to the other side. It’s how we got the GFA.

A back bench mp who had no involvement.

This is the old Corbyn narrative of a party leader who is strongly against terrorism "in any form" whatsoever, apart from when evidence points otherwise.

Anyone trying to bring up Saudi are desperately trying to deflect attention toward the only terrorists without Corbyn's backing

Very few people saw the catholic/nationalist viewpoint during the 70s/80s. Good for him that he did. British folk would do well to read up on the history of Irish republicanism that dates back far further than 1969 to get some context.

The west is largely pro Israeli. Very important to see the other side here as well. A lot of British folk do not fully understand the politics of the U.K. let alone the Middle East.

Yes, you work for peace by laying wreaths at the graves of those who rejected it completely

In the same way as you'd expect someone involved in interfaith work in the UK to lay a wreath at the graves of the 7/7 bombers....

The loyalists/unionists were the ones holding the power in the 70s/80s. It’s looking at the maligned, marganilised side that is important. Bring them in from the cold.

If we want to understand social injustice speak to those in poverty not the millionaires.

Didn’t the queen lay a wreath at the garden of remembrance in Dublin? You know the garden of remembrance that commerates those that fought against British rule in Ireland. The establishment decides who are terrorists and who isn’t. Remember when the ANC and Mandela were considered terrorists?