SIL has not vaccinated my nieces

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My baby has been booked in for her vaccinations soon. I asked my sister in law, who has primary school aged kids, about the experience and I was flabbergasted when she said she didn't get their jabs. I can't quite believe it!

When I asked why, she said the risks outweighed the pros but she struggled to articulate what the risks were beyond 'potential death'. I said that that was also the downside of not getting the jabs too! She said she was persuaded when her friend said that the jabs couldn't be undone if her kids had a reaction.

AIBU to be shocked and quite disappointed about this? I'm not looking forward to it by any means, but the eradication of many awful diseases and protection against those still prevalent is surely a non negotiable?

When her kids don't get these diseases, she'll be vindicated but that will likely be because the majority have had their jabs rather than proving jabs were unnecessary.

I imagine I'll get over this - my child will be protected - but I'm just at hearing this news.

sue for making my laugh out load again!
Quibbled don’t feed them... they’re acting like total dicks
*hottotroski exactly

The sham vaccine paradigm will crumble and parents who've willingly and obbediently lined up to inject their unsuspecting tots with SHITE and over stimulated their nascent immune systems will have egg on their faces to say the least..

I view these parents as borderline abusive.

Nighty night.

Or, idiots who don't vaccinate will fuck up here immunity, cause an outbreak and increase cases of disease, then will panic and come running for the vaccines.

But hey nighty night.

I was gonna reply to Jannibigfat0 but I honestly can't be fuckin bothered.

It would've been along the lines of the very real outbreaks of autoimmune, behavioural etc etc illnesses as a result of vaccinations. But......fuck it.

MairyHole busy getting any posts critical of him deleted. So an obtuse censor, then.

Oh well I guess the truth hurts

They were deleted because they were nasty personal attacks, nothing to do with censorship

So tell me if there was an outbreak of measles for example, would you jot get your kid vaccinated.

hottotrotsky seems it can dish it but can’t take it

Good grief this thread has gone completely to the dogs which is a pity.

Quibbled

But the research hadn't been carried out. That's the point. Nobody knew then if there was a link. Wakefield (and others who he referenced on his paper) had suggested a link but it hadn't been thoroughly tested.

I'll just repeat what I said earlier, which is that this has been the subject of intense scrutiny and in addition to Wakefield's work being roundly discredited, no one has been able to establish a link between MMR and autism.

That's the closest thing to proving a negative that you can ever find.

And again, repeating what I've said upthread a bit, if the medical establishment had ignored the MMR-autism scare, you'd be onto something, but they have not.

Consider the check to big pharma - the class action law suit. You have to assume that there are very well-funded lawyers who have worked this at every angle, trying to find a link. They will have spent a lot of money, and thus far, they've come up empty-handed.

So, to your point, when people say Wakefield's work has been discredited and that's how they know that the MMR vaccine does not cause autism, they are not perfectly correct. It's the absence of proof that aftermath that proves there is no link.

Quibbled

I clearly meant the research hadn't been done at the time Wakefield wrote his paper!

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You were commenting on a piece from 2011. What I said was:

MairyHole

The obvious inference is the door was barely ajar due to the research since carried out

You then said the research hadn't been carried out. But it had in 2011, which is what you originally complained about.

Anyway, I'm out now. No point when it just descends into name calling. Best wishes.

Wakefield had been trying to blame measles in the gut for years before for Crohns disease, his research on that was criticized at the time from what i can gather, he then turned to MMR remaining in the gut to cause autism. He was told at the time by Nicholas Chadwick that the results were not reliable but still included them in the paper.
He had also had the single measles vaccine patent which could also be used to cure measles in the gut and a business proposal set up around it. He used this to treat one of the children in the study.
This was unethical on two points. His contract with the Royal Free did not allow him to treat patients, and he was experimenting on a child.
The paper was based on false data, and never merited a press conference in the first place ,let alone suggesting single vaccines spaced apart.
There has never been a mechanism to connect Mmr , so it may not have ever warranted research before that.

THE IOM have published researched in Vaccine Adverse effects and Causation which also look at the mechanisms behind them

This is an interesting story regarding a case between Dr. Donegan and the GMC in trying to demonstrate children don’t need to be vaccinated to be healthy.. she won

www.collective-evolution.com/2015/03/15/the-doctor-who-beat-the-british-general-medical-council-by-proving-that-vaccines-arent-necessary-to-achieve-health/

It's always interesting to look at a website's homepage before you take it as a reliable source.

For example, the website Cath has just linked to came with a little clicky link at the bottom "get your numerology reading". So I already thought it was slightly suspect.

A further look at other stuff on the site includes:

"Stanford's most successful remote viewer reveals 4 alien bases on earth."

And: "Evidence suggests the moon isn't what we think. Someone might have put it there."

These are conspiracy theory websites of the highest level. Don't trust them. They twist stuff.

probably a more impartial version of events
The gmc found her evidence she gave in the cases she was an expert witness was misleading but she didnt do it deliberately . She lost me when she claimed to be a homeopath

Yes there are other weird articles but that story is correct
But whatever site is was you would have taken issue

www.collective-evolution.com/category/alternative-news/exopolitics/

This is the website Cath would like parents to take advice about vaccines from.

And interesting comment in the link you provided
“I've read through the complete transcripts of the GMC hearing. Of course she should have been cleared. The core of the GMC's case was that experts should pay attention not to the content of a study but the conclusions. This is an idiotic idea"

The conclusions being variable and subjective depending on who’s forming them

the original court case where she was an "expert" witness

"Quackwatch"

In July, a three-judge Court of Appeals panel agreed that the benefits greatly outweighed the risks and upheld Justice Sumner's ruling.

It also says The mother's "expert," Jayne Donegan, is a general practitioner who practices homeopathy. One of the appeals judges said that the rival expert opinions had been of "unusually unequal force," and another characterized the antivaccination evidence that the mother had relied upon as "junk science."

^ Tells you all you need to know.

And the link I was actually looking for. One of the very few studies truly comparing unvaccinated and vaccinated children. This also sums up my own experience and that of others I know who haven’t vaccinated:

info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/vaccinated-vs.-unvaccinated-guess-who-is-sicker

Ah no response yet ... I’m guessing Mairy and co are furiously googling