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For wanting to ring dd’s boss up and tear her a new arsehole?

227 replies

NicoAndTheNiners · 08/08/2018 17:33

I won’t actually do it but feel like it.

Dd is 17yo, in sixth form. Good, polite, hard working kid. She’s been desperate for a job and heard that a business in the village was employing.

I had slight reservations as I know this business gets through staff quickly and I’ve also seen them asking for people to work unpaid for a week on trial before potentially getting a job.

Anyway dd started working for them on a Sunday. Gets £25 for 8 hours so not even minimum wage which isn’t good. No break either. But enjoys the work and gets on with the manager ok. Manager told dd she was the best person they’d had in ages and was professional as she works hard and isn’t on her phone like others have been.

She was asked if she wanted more work over the summer and texted back to say she could work but not Tuesdays or Saturdays. They texted her back saying they wanted her to work this Tuesday (2 days before). She had plans but didn’t want to upset them so texted back and said she could work but only till 12. So did 4 hours work.

During this shift the manager made her aware of some comments that the business owner had written in a staff handbook about dd. Dd said it was an A4 page of ranting saying that dds work the previous weekend had not been up to scratch. Lots of swearing, “I’m fucking sick of x, she’s a fucking lazy bitch and I’m running out of patience”.

Dd has only told me today and broke down in tears. She says it’s not even true. She did everything she was supposed to do and spent 4 hours making the place spotless. The business involves animals and the boss was basically mad because the next morning there was animal poo about.....odd that dd finishes at 4pm so by the next morning the animals will have produced more shit. Dd Is adamant she cleaned all the poo up on her shift.

When she finished at 12 the owner refused to pay her anything because she said she hadn’t done a full shift. They’ve asked dd to work next Tuesday and said they’re doing it to teach a lesson because if she was an adult she would have to prioritise her job over driving lessons. Dd has told them she can only work the morning again and says she will do it even though she doesn’t think they will pay her again.

I’ve told her not to go back. I’ve offered to ring up and either politely or ideally not very politely tell them she won’t be coming back. I really want to ring the woman up and say I think she’s a disgusting excuse of a human who is bullying a teenager and not even paying her. I’m fucking furious. Dd says she doesn’t want any conflict and will just carry on working until the end of the summer and then tell them she needs to stop,work to concentrate on a levels.

I’m certainly planning on reporting them to whoever cares about minimum wage breaches.

OP posts:
jessebuni · 09/08/2018 18:17

I haven’t read the entire thread but just a few things in case they haven’t been pointed out.

Minimum wage for under 18s is around £4 end of. If they pay less than this then that is illegal.

She should also have a wage slip and a contract of employment and if she does not have those things you should report the company.

Everyone should have a contract of employment and wage slips even zero hours contract staff have them. It’s evidence of employment and that she is paying national insurance etc. If she doesn’t get that then she doesn’t owe them anything in the way of notice etc anyway because there’s no evidence she was even employed.

I would report them and not let your daughter return to work there.

TeddybearBaby · 09/08/2018 18:22

My family own kennels. A 17 year old would get the £4.20 ph others have mentioned and proper breaks. I’d defo go in and get her money back. She’s being bullied. I think she’d thank you eventually and I think you’d regret not doing so. The nasty A4 page is horrendous too. Poor girl!!

DownAndUnder · 09/08/2018 18:34

Shock they didn’t pay her for a day? Someone was caught stealing at my work and still paid for the shift! Get your DD to email/text them and keep any replies, then report. Id also phone HMRC and let them know as she obviously wasn’t registered on their payroll.

DowntownDallas · 09/08/2018 18:35

Send a request in writing to them for all of the hours that she has worked and been underpaid since she started. If she was eligible for a break then add a charge for that time as well.

gatorade5000 · 09/08/2018 18:41

No advice but OP your DD seems to have low self esteem if she will still want to work somewhere that treats her like utter crap. Why would she accept that sort of treatment? To not be paid for work, to work 8 hours straight with no break for under minimum wage, why? Do stand up for her. Tell her this is not how employers should be like.

Deadpoet · 09/08/2018 18:42

She needs to find a better job with a better boss. It’s totally unacceptable to write nasty things in a book, it’s unacceptable to have your daughter in tears, it’s unacceptable to pay her £25 for 8 hours BUT it is COMPLETELY acceptable to rip the boss a new one.
My 16 year old DD works for a private catering company, her boss is fantastic and she gets £9 an hour, yes I know it’s way abound the going rate but her boss likes to pay well and keep good hardworking staff. Your daughter is worth more than £25 a shift. I know she’s nearly 18 but she still needs your guidance. Get her out of there. Anywhere has got to be better than where she is.

smilingontheinside · 09/08/2018 18:43

As aweful as it is for your dd I'm more worried about the poor dogs Angry

lindyloo57 · 09/08/2018 18:45

please name and shame the kennels so nobody use them, sounds like an appalling place that should be closed down. Dogs should have lots of room and space.

cheesefield · 09/08/2018 18:47

OP please tell me this isn't in Cambridgeshire.

SofiaAmes · 09/08/2018 18:49

Is your dd good on computers? There are a ton of data entry type jobs out there in every field. My 15 year old dd has two different internships in the music business doing essentially data entry and similar things. She's not getting paid, but she's learning a ton (and they are super appreciative) and it will lead to a paying job by the time she's a little older. She has also done several paid jobs doing data entry/excel work, but they were for less interesting things.

lindyloo57 · 09/08/2018 18:51

KelpieK9 Did you not report him, people like that should never aloud to work with animals

DownAndUnder · 09/08/2018 18:54

Op they will claim your daughter is "self employed" to get out of any tax or employment rights They can’t, unless OPs daughter signed something to say she was self employed and responsible for paying her own tax and was providing them with invoices.

MarchingOrders · 09/08/2018 18:55

It makes no sense to me that you'd start a dog kennel business and you clearly don't give a shit about animals. Start literally any other business. Definitely report them and take it to social media, I wouldn't be letting my dog stay there if I knew.

Suebreo · 09/08/2018 18:56

It definitely needs sorting or she will just continue to bully young people that are unfortunate enough to seek employment there

BonnieLass5 · 09/08/2018 18:56

'Teach her a lesson'. Wtf.

Don't let her go back, get her wages and report them.

There will be lots of other jobs a bus journey away: supermarkets, restaurants, cafes etc.

Eliza9917 · 09/08/2018 19:01

You need to report them to the RSPCA as well.

BlueLegume · 09/08/2018 19:01

Absolutely suggest you do not let your daughter back in the workplace. I’m all for resilience and tough love but this is slave labour. At this age whilst the money is a bonus it’s far better for them to learn about life skills answers this will just demoralise your daughter before what I assume might be her A level year. I’d definitely step in, professionally not confrontationally and clearly explain that things aren’t quite as expected and in spite of clear information about availability this was ignored and has made it more sensible to part company- once you have paid what she has worked. Then go home and give your daughter a massive hug for being bothered to go out and look for work. Wine

BlueLegume · 09/08/2018 19:04

^and not answers Grin

Feelthethunder · 09/08/2018 19:12

Please stick up for her.

They’re taking the piss. You’re not supposed to speak about someone like that in a work place and it’s bullying.

Go in, demand your DD’s wages and tell them to sort their manners out.

If they’re allowed to get away with bad behaviour they’ll treat everyone like shit. Also dob them in for paying below min wage.

Sending love to your DD.

IrisTs · 09/08/2018 19:23

Report the kennels to the council as well!! Actually there are plenty of kennels that font get inspected and animals are kept in awful conditions ! Please don't leave that not fair on poor animals. Good luck with reporting the CF to hmrc as well.

Tippexy · 09/08/2018 19:25

You posted here before when you found out your DD was on less than minimum wage and we all told you get your daughter to leave the job.

Aspichick · 09/08/2018 19:30

Lots of things above that make sense. Your poor daughter it will really knock her confidence and at the moment she can only see the short term not the long term. Reporting them left right and centre should really have an effect. Writing what that excuse of a boss wrote is not professional and she should be hauled up for that, smespecially if she can get a copy of it - why did the manager show her? Can you get the manager on side too? I worry that the dogs are mistreated and even with council inspections this can go awry. The NMW is £4.20 for under 18s. It not paying her to “teach her a lesson”? I am fuming!!! That is so not on!! Please update us. Show your daughter how much support she has so she doesn’t go back all summer and show her how many of us want to tear a new arsehole in her so called boss! She could be a whistleblower and take lots of pics of the conditions of the dogs.......I hope your DD feels better about it all and that she is in the right if she doesn’t go back. The owner should be taught a lesson in how to treat and employ people!!

susurration · 09/08/2018 19:33

I'm really praying this is not the kennels my cat goes to in the west midlands.

user1493391099 · 09/08/2018 19:40

This type of behaviour in a workplace in this day and age needs stopping ASAP. Trouble is, if it’s a small business or family run, they make up their own rules. Chains are better, they follow the rules! Or they at least should do. She could potentially knock your daughter’s confidence at such an impressionable age! Don’t let her go back, she may be mad at you now but she’ll thank you in the long run. Sometimes, you just need to step in as a parent.

SusieOwl4 · 09/08/2018 19:46

My daughter had a job , low pay , difficult environment and on some occasions she had to leave to be sick and then still walked back in to carry on . She worked her socks off. All of a sudden they let her go . No notice incorrect pay . She was devastated and it knocked her confidence. I went round to the owbpner and laid into him . Pointed out he had broken her contract and various other regulations and how would he feel if his daughter was treated like that . He apologised and wrote her a glowing reference. Turns out the business was going under but that was no excuse . I am concerned about the notes he was writing about your daughter . That sounds like bullying and also breaking privacy gdpr. Rules ? I know our children need to stick up for themselves but at this stage they are still learning and I have no regrets about what I did . I did not want her to work there again I just wanted him to apologise for the way she was let go which was totally out of order . If they are not put in their place and your daughter leaves , which she should , then there will just be another person who’s confidence they will affect.

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