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AIBU to not want to have homeless people with complex needs placed in the house next door to me?

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StressedandNameChanged · 05/08/2018 23:57

I live in a 2 storey terraced house in a small residential street in an area with lots of rows of similar small terraced houses. It’s not the smartest area of town and hasn’t had the best reputation, but it was affordable when we moved here over 15 years ago, and we have been happy here. I live with my dh, and my youngest ds 12.

The end terrace house next door to me was bought by a private investment company earlier this year, and I recently found out that this was part of an organisation which combines property investment with supported housing. Following a lot of enquiries on my part, I found out that they planned to use the house as a house share for 5 vulnerable adults with complex needs and a history of homelessness. Complex needs means at least 2 of the following issues: substance misuse; history of offending; history of anti-social behaviour; mental health problems.

Communications with the organisations who will be managing the property have been problematic. They were initially very evasive, but once I had more info, the housing manager agreed to come to a residents’ association meeting to discuss the plans for the property. It didn’t go very well. On the agenda at the same meeting were problems with an existing supported housing project in the neighbourhood, where due to staffing issues and some challenging clients, the police are being called out every night.

The housing manager later offered to come and speak with dh and myself but as we were away at the time, we said we would arrange a date when we got back. Unfortunately, while we were away a neighbour put up some very offensive signs around the property, including some in my garden and went to the local paper. (This may be the same neighbour who has also been cutting cctv cables at the property). Since we got back we have tried to get in touch but no response. There is a meeting set up with the neighbourhood policing team and others, but the housing managers are not available to attend that either.

Meanwhile I have heard from elsewhere that at least one tenant would be moving into the property in 2 weeks’ time. I think the company running the property are trying to get it as a done deal with people living there before talking to anyone.

I know people can change and this is hopefully a good opportunity for the people who will be placed next door, but I also know there is no magic wand for people who have struggled with multiple serious issues for several years, and there will be relapses. I am worried about the location and the suitability of the property for this use. Most people who have suffered high levels of trauma and are trying to move away from a chaotic lifestyle want their own place where they can control their surroundings, not a shared house. I am worried about 5 vulnerable adults being housed together in a small Victorian terraced house with poor sound proofing. Many houses around here are used for student housing and they live 5 to a house, but they are groups of friends who choose to live together, and they can usually escape to their parents’ homes for a break. I know from experience the level of disruption just one tenant in a shared house can cause if they kick off, mainly to the other tenants but also to the neighbours. I am worried about some of the visitors they will attract. I am worried about the possible high turnover of tenants. I am worried about the potential disturbance for ourselves and other neighbours. I know what the streets around other hostels are like, and I will not feel safe if my street becomes like that. I am worried about the failure of the people managing the property to communicate, which doesn’t bode well if problems do occur. I am stressed out and losing sleep worrying about it.

Yes, I know I am being the very definition of a NIMBY, but I am amazed that this sort of facility can be placed in a residential street without any consultation with neighbours, the local authorities, the police or any existing services in the area.

OP posts:
Neshoma · 06/08/2018 08:56

RosyLea Youv'e commented several times how you find this thread disgusting and have even reported it, yet you are posting. I can see it is upsetting you. If you are disturbed by it there is an option to hide the thread so it doesn't pop up. It's at the top of the thread.

I suspect there are many on here who actually, in real life, away from MN would be concerned about a hostel popping up next door to them. If they have children they would be concerned about needles lying about, empty beer cans everywhere, anti social behaviour in the middle of the night that wakes their kids,

We have an elderly chap across the road. He's sweet and kind. Yet all the neighbours take in his parcels as he can't get to the door, take him in when he calls for his cat that died 10 years ago, sort out his house alarm when it activates (regularly), let in Meals on Wheels as the carer hasn't arrived to sort it. You get the picture. Lovely man but his needs mean some care falls to the neighbours.

Ennirem · 06/08/2018 08:58

Also the thing about consultation: of course, if asked, people will say they'd rather not have troubled people in their street. So at some point the council just have to make an executive decision. Consultation is not going to yield results as nobody wants the problem.

User1478944 · 06/08/2018 08:58

Surely sex offenders would be unlikely to be housed in such a place unless they were at very low risk of reoffending?
That depends on a lot of things, how the risk is assessed, services available, other needs etc.
There’s a lot more sex offenders living in the community than most people would be comfortable with. Usually they will cause no bother to their neighbours but that’s not quite the same as saying they pose no risk.
And there is loads of residential units and supported living in nice areas.

mumsastudent · 06/08/2018 08:59

supported housing doesn't mean the manager is there it may mean that they have a link to a specialized housing officer who is not a social worker & whose responsibility is only to support tenancy issues. As said previously the issue is whether there is a proper degree of support. I suspect the people who criticize who not appreciate having people who serious issues to work through who don't have the access to live in support next to there nice new houses/ect. I think the immediate neighbours at the very least need a 24 hour direct hotline to the support workers if there is a chance of problems occurring especially if there is an issue with active substance abuse. They should be forced into becoming support workers by proxy.

rosylea · 06/08/2018 09:01

This thick witted and self righteous mother is about to go collect her complex needs adult son from his supported living home. He needs something from town. He will be smelly and scruffy because the staff are not allowed to tell him what to do (he's adult) and will need coaxing to get showered and changed. Whilst in town he will likely shout or talk very very loudly due to his anxiety. When people stare and tut tut (as they usually do) I will think of you lot. After we have returned ds to those people we will come back to our scruffy little house on a council estate. The rest of today and tonight both myself and his adult dsis will be on the phone reassuring him after his anxiety provoking outing. Have a nice day with your disabilism, stigmatisation and also complete misjudgement of me.

Hawkie · 06/08/2018 09:01

I suspect there are many on here who actually, in real life, away from MN would be concerned about a hostel popping up next door to them. If they have children they would be concerned about needles lying about, empty beer cans everywhere, anti social behaviour in the middle of the night that wakes their kids,

But this is a huge misconception with the current levels and impact on homelessness - most people I know who are homeless are not drug addicts or alcoholics and actually work full-time jobs or study during the day so aren't out gallivanting all night. Yes, most also have complex needs.

A homeless person does not equal drug-addicted, alcohol fuelled rough sleeper which seems to be what mumsnet define it at.

Wtfdoipick · 06/08/2018 09:02

I have a supported house on my street, a bail hostel on the next street and I'm not sure of the best way to describe it but a home for teenagers who they struggle to place in foster homes just round the corner.

All these have given us worries when we heard about them but not had any impact on us unlike 3 completely anti social neighbours we've had in the same time. There are good supported houses out there but also bad, I hope yours is a good one but that is down to how the residents will be selected and how they are supported.

PeakPants · 06/08/2018 09:03

It’s not ‘outsourced’ - pretty much all care is privately run - much of it by foreign owned companies. Some value profit more than others.

I mean outsourced in that it SHOULD be the job of the state to look after all its citizens, not some private profit-making company. And it is outsourced in that they must receive instructions from the state. Increased privatisation of care is why we're in such a shitty position. It's terrible. If the government wanted to pay for it, they would. The 'no money' thing is a myth- they just choose how it is allocated and they don't give a shit about vulnerable members of society so they get no money.

Devilishpyjamas · 06/08/2018 09:06

There’s plenty of money in it if you’re a large corporate - that’s why hedge funds etc get involved. Smaller companies are being bought up rapidly by the big corporates because they can’t afford to make ends meet (that’s the irony). It’s a trade in people. But has been for years and people keep voting for it.

SandyY2K · 06/08/2018 09:06

Your best option if this is impacting on you/your family is to move.

Your concerns are anticipated...not confirmed at this stage.

I don't think anyone would be jumping for joy if individuals with those complex issues were moving in next door. I wouldn't believe anyone who said they were.

Hawkie · 06/08/2018 09:09

"A person with 'complex needs' is. someone with two or more needs affecting their physical, mental, social or financial wellbeing"

A hell of a lot of mumsnet would actually be classed as complex needs; anyone with a physical illness and mental illness would be for instance.

Happygoldfinch · 06/08/2018 09:10

@rosylea - we all have responsibilities to our families. Mine involves trying to ensure that my 2 DC get their 10 hours of sleep whilst trying to protect my home and peace from some of the idiots who live around me (not in supported housing - just the local self-obsessed). So we all come to this thread with different experiences - yours don’t trump everyone else’s, although I understand that they are hugely taxing and I do feel for you.

Mishappening · 06/08/2018 09:14

If the residents are properly supervised and supported then it should not be a problem. You need to establish a good link with the organisation who will be running this: ask about staff to resident ratio (there are likely to be support workers, even if they do not live there), how to resolve any problems that arise etc.

Your neightbour cannot use your property to make her protests.

I understand your anxieties; but you could try popping round and getting to know the new residents - they are people too - people who have fallen on hard times and need help to rejoin society.

Stirner · 06/08/2018 09:19

I can see a lot of people pilling in to give OP a hard time but I think she's right to be concerned, these places are a magnet for drug dealing and associated ASB and crime, and in my experience the staff on site turn a blind eye. And what kind of neighbourhoods get lumbered with these premises? Not the affluent leafy ones inhabited by the champagne socialists and social justice warriors that are lining up to give op a kicking.

Devilishpyjamas · 06/08/2018 09:20

A homeless person does not equal drug-addicted, alcohol fuelled rough sleeper which seems to be what mumsnet define it at

Quite. My son was officially homeless - still is I guess. He is severely disabled & has severe learning disabilities. He won’t cause neighbours any problems when in his own home because he will be very well supported & wouldn’t anyway. I’ve still been advised that neighbours (in vair naice area) may cause him a problem. (Nothing to do with this particular area, just the teams previous experience of neighbours and learning disabilities.)

Like any neighbour this may or may not be a problem. I can’t see them cramming 5 people with very complex needs into one small house. Whenever I have been in similar houses they have always been calm.

I may be concerned until I saw who moved in but I always am (our ndn was tenanted for ages - at times it was MO, others not. Most problematic neighbour was lovely and charming. I liked him. He just used to have a habit of playing really loud music at 4am.

Devilishpyjamas · 06/08/2018 09:20

Not the affluent leafy ones inhabited by the champagne socialists and social justice warriors that are lining up to give op a kicking

How many times? Yes they do.

Hawkie · 06/08/2018 09:27

these places are a magnet for drug dealing and associated ASB and crime

No they are not; that is a misconception. Some of these places are, but certainly not all - many have strict no drugs, no alcohol policies in place.

Mishappening · 06/08/2018 09:27

In your discussions you need to ask the organisation what problems the expected residents might have: physically disabled? learning difficulties? drug/alcohol problems?

kateandme · 06/08/2018 09:30

i think from this thread like it or not.subcontiously or outloud some people views on people with more needs or still very stigmatised.and it needs to change.or we need to be educated and show lots more compassion to people.
you cant help initial human reaction to things but you can quickly get your head round it and re educate and have a little more empathy.i think we all need that.

rosylea · 06/08/2018 09:32

Thank-you Happy. As I said, I will think of you lot whilst we are in town being stared at. And when DS is struggling to sign his own name because he was allowed to leave school being unable to write, I will remember that everyone else also has problems. When DS first moved into the supported living house, he went for a walk and got lost. He asked adults for help and was told to fuck off and called weirdo! I was heartbroken at that and I'm heartbroken at some (most) of these comments. Have to go pick up ds now.

emmyrose2000 · 06/08/2018 09:33

YANBU
The anti-social part would concern me greatly, as that usually involves lots of noise (loud music in particular) and/or drugs, neither of which I would want in the yard next to me or coming through a party wall.

DianaPrincessOfThemyscira · 06/08/2018 09:34

I suspect there’s a lot of people on this thread who would be eating humble pie if there were plans for this for the house next door to them.

OP YANBU to be concerned. There are two purpose-built homes like this within about a quarter mile of my home, and while it’s too far to have much effect on me, my kids have a friend who lives three or four doors down and yes it is disruptive sometimes. Ambulances and police cars regularly, men sitting on pavement drinking beer as the kids walk to school - and yes, like a similar thread, there has been instances of patients (? Maybe just tenants? Not sure the website sounds similar to what OP says) causing disruption with their behaviour.

Everyone has the right to a roof over their head; everyone has the right to quiet enjoyment of their own home. OP has a right to feel she should have been consulted and to feel nervous. Shitty neighbours are shitty neighbours but the ‘complex needs’ noted above heightens that nervousness.

There’s a reason these homes and shelters aren’t placed in leafy suburbs. It’s not because homeless people don’t want to live there.

loveka · 06/08/2018 09:35

Sorry, does empathy include having to listen to drum n bass at full volume for 12chours at a stretch. Or hearing people shouting and swearing, pissed out of their heads? Cunt this and cunt that at the top of their lungs.

I have got plenty of empathy but proportionately there is more anti social behaviour coming from the one near me than from the other houses.

careerontrack · 06/08/2018 09:36

Who is running the house? The directors of the company are irrelevant. There’s a current scheme whereby property investors buy houses and rent them out at no profit, just to cover costs and the houses are part of a bigger scheme. In my experience the tenants are those who are ready for a house because they’re just at the point of getting back in their feet and into work. They’re very well supported. It might be that

YetAnotherSpartacus · 06/08/2018 09:36

I suspect there are many on here who actually, in real life, away from MN would be concerned about a hostel popping up next door to them. If they have children they would be concerned about needles lying about, empty beer cans everywhere, anti social behaviour in the middle of the night that wakes their kids

Course they would.

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