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What do you think happens when we die?

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Frosty6611 · 05/08/2018 12:28

Just had this discussion with my DP and mum and we all had a completely different answers.

I believe in reincarnation.

My DP is an atheist and believes nothing happens.

My mum believes in heaven/hell.

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GetOrfMyBin · 06/08/2018 20:06

She said my dad came and told her**

I really should proofread before posting!

rosenylund · 06/08/2018 20:25

A relative of mine recently passed away, he was a priest - had a lovely life and was very happy throughout. When he became ill he wrestled with fears of dying, that he wasn't expecting, and his belief in the afterlife, so much so he became very depressed.

He did recover fully and died suddenly a good few years later, best way to go - he knew nothing about it and didn't have to face those fears whilst slowly dying.

I don't believe in any afterlife, just an end, but I felt sad for him that his strong beliefs didn't bring him the comfort he expected them to.

FrazzledRockRed · 06/08/2018 20:32

The Egg
By: Andy Weir

You were on your way home when you died.
It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.
And that’s when you met me.
“What… what happened?” You asked. “Where am I?”
“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.
“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”
“Yup,” I said.
“I… I died?”
“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.
You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. “What is this place?” You asked. “Is this the afterlife?”
“More or less,” I said.
“Are you god?” You asked.
“Yup,” I replied. “I’m God.”
“My kids… my wife,” you said.
“What about them?”
“Will they be all right?”
“That’s what I like to see,” I said. “You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”
You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.
“Don’t worry,” I said. “They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”
“Oh,” you said. “So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”
“Neither,” I said. “You’ll be reincarnated.”
“Ah,” you said. “So the Hindus were right,”
“All religions are right in their own way,” I said. “Walk with me.”
You followed along as we strode through the void. “Where are we going?”
“Nowhere in particular,” I said. “It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”
“So what’s the point, then?” You asked. “When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”
“Not so!” I said. “You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”
I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. “Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.
“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”
“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”
“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said. “This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”
“Wait, what?” You stammered. “You’re sending me back in time?”
“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”
“Where you come from?” You said.
“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”
“Oh,” you said, a little let down. “But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”
“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”
“So what’s the point of it all?”
“Seriously?” I asked. “Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”
“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.
I looked you in the eye. “The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”
“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”
“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”
“Just me? What about everyone else?”
“There is no one else,” I said. “In this universe, there’s just you and me.”
You stared blankly at me. “But all the people on earth…”
“All you. Different incarnations of you.”
“Wait. I’m everyone!?”
“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.
“I’m every human being who ever lived?”
“Or who will ever live, yes.”
“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”
“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.
“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.
“And you’re the millions he killed.”
“I’m Jesus?”
“And you’re everyone who followed him.”
You fell silent.
“Every time you victimized someone,” I said, “you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”
You thought for a long time.
“Why?” You asked me. “Why do all this?”
“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”
“Whoa,” you said, incredulous. “You mean I’m a god?”
“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”
“So the whole universe,” you said, “it’s just…”
“An egg.” I answered. “Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”
And I sent you on your way.

specialsubject · 06/08/2018 20:35

nothing. The afterlife is peddled to make you behave in this one.

pickledparsnip · 06/08/2018 20:45

No idea. I watched a family member die, and their face lit up, when I guess what was their soul left their body. It actually lit up. They looked weirdly younger, and they suddenly opened their eyes. It was both the most awful, and the most humbling experience to be around. I was not the only person in the room to have seen it.
I can't fucking explain it. It boggles my brain.

I guess we're all just energy, and I hope that once we die. That energy passes on somewhere else.

I never used to be scared of death, but having my son changed all that. Cheers mate.

Togaandsandals · 06/08/2018 21:03

we're here to enjoy our little lives and help other people to enjoy theirs and that's it imo

Possibly, but that is really a crap deal for those whose lives have been one of much suffering and grief. Some people really do have shitty lives and then on a different level those of us in the West who were born into relative wealth will find that idea easier too. No answers, just my thoughts.

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lazyhazysummer · 06/08/2018 21:20

Possibly, but that is really a crap deal for those whose lives have been one of much suffering and grief. Some people really do have shitty lives and then on a different level those of us in the West who were born into relative wealth will find that idea easier too

I used to ponder this too, but now i think that throughout the years, we all have lived through awful lives. We obviously don't remember our past lives, but there have been many cases of children who remember very clearly a past life and describe them in detail.

I'm sure we all will have lived through terrible times, and good times too. It's all about lessons we have to learn here on earth in order to reach a higher plain and be nearer to God.

RainySeptember · 06/08/2018 21:23

"Possibly, but that is really a crap deal for those whose lives have been one of much suffering and grief."

Of course, and that's awful. It would be wonderful to think there was a higher purpose to their suffering, or a reward after death. But I just don't believe it. We mean nothing to the universe, no more than a blade of grass.

BarbarianMum · 06/08/2018 21:27

You're recycled over and over again. In an infinite universe.

lazyhazysummer · 06/08/2018 21:29

www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html
This makes sense.

NotPerTickly · 06/08/2018 21:34

It must be quite nice to be able to just choose what to believe in 🙂

lazyhazysummer · 06/08/2018 21:55

Everybody chooses what they believe in surely.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 06/08/2018 22:37

I'd never force my beliefs on anyone just as I do not expect people to mock mine.
and what I'm about I'm about to say isn't really anything to do with the after life but It certainly does show there is far more to this world than meets the eye.
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annandale · 06/08/2018 22:58

Nothing, I devoutly hope. The Bible verse saying that life is a vale of tears is so true. If I thought my dead dh were looking down on me now, I would feel torment far worse than I feel grieving for him as gone for ever. Either he would be continuing his suffering, or he would be happy, stable and content, in which case he'd be completely different as a person. Humans are their bodies, I don't believe in a soul separate from the body.

lazyhazysummer · 06/08/2018 23:59

We can't expect to have the same feelings in heaven as here on earth. It wouldn't be heaven otherwise. We will see our loved ones again and will feel their love but we will love everybody. There'll be no more angst. We can't compare the next life with what we experience here on earth. Here we are here to learn, but only for a short time, then we will go home. All our earthly cares will cease.

Bibesia · 07/08/2018 03:12

The thing I don't get about the heaven concept is: it's all very well meeting up with our loved ones, but how about the ones we don't love or even like very much? If heaven exists, there is no reason why, for instance, my grandmother shouldn't be there, but I honestly have no wish to meet up with her again.

I was thinking about this recently in relation to someone I know who died recently who was deeply religious and absolutely convinced of the existence of the afterlife. All through her life she prided herself on her fantastic memory - amongst other matters, she loved poetry and could quote vast chunks at the drop of a hat. And then she got Alzheimer's.. If that happened to you and you got to heaven and met God, wouldn't you want to know why he had chosen to do something so unspeakably cruel? And would you really want to be in a heaven he had created?

Earthmover · 07/08/2018 04:32

Life after death is many religions star attraction.
I sometimes wonder how many of the followers truly buy into any of it when they sit down and have a long hard think about the facts(or lack of).
Just all seems rather suspect and none of it would stand up to much scrutiny in a court of law.
I also wonder if 2000 years from now they'll be talking about the resurrection of God's son David Blaine.

Trazey · 07/08/2018 04:39

We rot and feed the worms / plants.

The circle of life etc.

lazyhazysummer · 07/08/2018 07:57

Bibesia If that was the case, where we'd be unhappy because of people we didn't get on with here on earth it wouldn't be heaven. All our earthly trials and woes will cease. We aren't going to see anyone that made us unhappy on earth. I'm sure heaven is going to be a place of unimaginable happiness but it will be different things to different people. Jesus said " There are many rooms in my Father's house" which maybe implies this.

I've read many accounts of people who have had near death experiences, in every one they have spoke of a place where the people who were waiting to meet them were the people/person who had made them happy on earth. They all speak of a feeling of pure joy unlike any joy they've ever felt on earth, but obviously it wasn't their time and they have to come back. They have no fear of death anymore because they know what awaits them. Why would God create a place where we'll be unhappy as we often are here. In other words we shouldn't compare our time on earth, full of woes and sadness to the next world. They're beyond comparison. That's my take anyway, hope that helps.

Frosty6611 · 07/08/2018 08:08

What about babies who go to heaven? Would they always remain as tiny babies who can never talk/walk etc?

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lazyhazysummer · 07/08/2018 08:15

And then she got Alzheimer's.. If that happened to you and you got to heaven and met God, wouldn't you want to know why he had chosen to do something so unspeakably cruel? And would you really want to be in a heaven he had created?

Bibesia My lovely mum got Alzheimer's too, it was the most awful illness, it was so extremely sad that the woman who had loved her children and grandchildren so much and was so full of vitality and the joy of living, reverted to a mere shell of her former self. It broke my heart when she looked at me with no recognition in her eyes, just confusion and turmoil. Alzheimer's is a very cruel disease, but God didn't give her that, just as he doesn't create wars and famine and droughts and all the other horrible things that happen here on earth.

I know that my lovely mum is now free of her suffering, i've seen her in my dreams, just as she was when she was well. She'll be there waiting for me i'm sure, when that day comes. We suffer here on earth, so much sadness and tears, but our time here isn't meant to be paradise, we have that to come.

lazyhazysummer · 07/08/2018 08:18

What about babies who go to heaven? Would they always remain as tiny babies who can never talk/walk etc?

I used to ponder this, but perhaps in heaven they grow. I like to think so anyway. Smile

ImAIdoot · 07/08/2018 08:40

What about babies who go to heaven? Would they always remain as tiny babies who can never talk/walk etc?

They become angels that "always see the face of God", who loves them fiercely.

This is how I interpret Jesus' assertion on the matter, check out Matthew 18 if you're interested.

RainySeptember · 07/08/2018 08:45

I don't know why people are so sure heaven will be a wonderful place. On earth, god made worms that eat the eyes of children. I'm not entirely sure s/he can be trusted.