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Irritating pronounciation

566 replies

percheron67 · 04/08/2018 23:32

I have just seen the Tesco steak ad and wish that the woman talking would not use a glottal stop in the middle of words. Perhaps this is regional but it sounds very lazy.

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Babdoc · 06/08/2018 21:41

Haven’t read the whole thread, so apologies if repeating. I hate hearing loch mispronounced as lock by English tourists (and sometimes tv presenters).
And the almond controversy on here seems a regional thing too - I’ve noticed since moving to Scotland that the locals all pronounce the L.
They also call licqorice “lickoriss” instead of “lickerish” which I was used to down south.
The southern English also seem unaware that there is an R in Ireland. Even newsreaders refer to Northern “Island”, which sets my teeth on edge.

derxa · 06/08/2018 21:54

The l in almond is pronounced by people who think they sound posh. I'd ask the Queen if I were you.
My biggest gripe is people saying, 'It's got nuts in.'

Toptheginup · 06/08/2018 22:03

What about disaster being pronounced as dis arrrster
I'm always the odd one out arguing about this, it is pronounced dis astter.
Then they'll throw in yeah but how do you say plaster, which I say as plar ster
Not plasster.

FrangipaniBlue · 06/08/2018 22:03

use a instead of I on facebook.. - what fresh hell is THAT?!

"A bluddy luv this fred"

Sorry couldn't resist Grin

FrangipaniBlue · 06/08/2018 22:06

There is a village near me called Torpenhow.

The phonetical pronunciation is
Truh-pennuh.

Hows that for mind blown? Lol

liz70 · 06/08/2018 22:09

"The l in almond is pronounced by people who think they sound posh"

Bollocks. Pronounced with both "l"s.

Toptheginup · 06/08/2018 22:10

I used to always think lingerie was pronounced lin jer reee
I can't particularly bring myself to say it in the French way so I just say underwear Grin

SisterNotCisTerf · 06/08/2018 22:11

The l in almond is pronounced by people who think they sound posh

😂 no.

The one that always gets me is “Loughborough” in NI “Lough” is pronounced “loch/lock” (Lough Neagh) and borough is pronounced “burrow” or sometimes “burrah”.

9amTrain · 06/08/2018 22:22

@derxa um no it isn't.

derxa · 06/08/2018 22:34

No one has proved me wrong yet Grin

CountFosco · 06/08/2018 22:36

pretty sure something's getting lost in translation her. Bath can indeed be said to sound exactly like Barth.

Not in a rhotic accent where the r in barth is pronounced. What you seem to have lost is my entire post:

The majority of English speakers in the world have rhotic accents. So when you write 'ar' they read 'a-rrrrr' not 'awww'. In other words not a subtle difference, a great big 'those words sound nothing alike' difference. Stop using 'ar' when you mean awww and the confusion will disappear.

You might argue over how best to represent the long a sound without using the funny symbols (well done for using them!) but aw and ah are a lot closer to each other than either is to ar if you say it with a rhotic accent. Think about <a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DdynAAX0hYQo&ved=2ahUKEwjC_oztsNncAhVCCsAKHXFJBGoQwqsBMAB6BAgJEAU&usg=AOvVaw3EUPvrjTWhfZIYwnHdSmVG" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Taggart.

SisterNotCisTerf · 06/08/2018 22:43

The onus is on you to prove your claim derxa Grin

ChinkChink · 06/08/2018 23:04

My dad loved this:

I take it you already know
Of tough and bough and cough and dough?
Others may stumble but not you
On hiccough, thorough, slough and through.
Well done! And now you wish perhaps,
To learn of less familiar traps?

Beware of heard, a dreadful word
That looks like beard and sounds like bird.
And dead, it's said like bed, not bead-
for goodness' sake don't call it 'deed'!
Watch out for meat and great and threat
(they rhyme with suite and straight and debt).

A moth is not a moth in mother,
Nor both in bother, broth, or brother,
And here is not a match for there,
Nor dear and fear for bear and pear,
And then there's doze and rose and lose-
Just look them up- and goose and choose,
And cork and work and card and ward
And font and front and word and sword,
And do and go and thwart and cart-
Come, I've hardly made a start!
A dreadful language? Man alive!
I'd learned to speak it when I was five!
And yet to write it, the more I sigh,
I'll not learn how 'til the day I die.

stillamum22 · 06/08/2018 23:07

MikeUniformMike once said that if I had a girl I would call her Myfanwy - cue confused looks 'My fanny' ?? Luckily it was a boy 😊

autumndreaming · 06/08/2018 23:11

Also gives me the rage when people pronounce the L in almond. Why don't people understand that it's silent?! Who is teaching them to pronounce the L 😂

SisterNotCisTerf · 06/08/2018 23:39

Brilliant chinkchink! I didn’t realise how difficult English was until I had to teach my child (educated in another language) how to read it. I tried to explain the rules and I just couldn’t. It was really hard to explain to him why words that looked the same sounded different and how he could decide which pronunciation Was right.

jcyclops · 07/08/2018 02:32

Don't disparage my garage.

flowery · 07/08/2018 07:35

”What about disaster being pronounced as dis arrrster
I'm always the odd one out arguing about this, it is pronounced dis astter.”

But again this is just an example of different accents, not incorrect pronunciation! Disaster would be pronounced with a short a sound by the same people who use a short a for grass bath laugh etc, ie mostly people with Northern accents. It would be pronounced with a long a (ahh) by people generally with Southern accents who also say grahss bahth etc

No one is wrong!

DoAsYouWouldBeMumBy · 07/08/2018 11:00

@liz70 I'm from Glasgow - not a single one of my friends, family, etc says "I've went" etc. Maybe you're moving in the wrong circles Wink

MistressDeeCee · 07/08/2018 11:11

Cwas-Ont although as I’m not French and Siri doesn’t understand me I’m happy to blame my accent

I'm slightly worried by my abject need to know whether you say the 'a' in "cwas" in nasal fashion with just a bare hint of 'w' sound, or if you just say it as a flat 'a' + full 'w' sound which gets on my last nerve so I might cry

JassyRadlett · 07/08/2018 13:06

aw and ah are a lot closer to each other than either is to ar if you say it with a rhotic accent.

Entirely nitpicking, but they bloody aren’t. In most rhotic and non-rhotic accents I’m familiar with, the vowel sound in ah and ar is pretty similar if not identical - the difference is that the ‘r’ is pronounced in rhotic accents.

‘Aw’ is a totally different vowel sound - equal to the ‘o’ in ‘or’ or the ‘au’ in haul. Suggesting that non-rhotics say ‘cauf’, bauth’ is just wrong.

I agree with you for the most part and in particular using ‘ar’ to denote pronunciation is just confusing and should be avoided.

SisterNotCisTerf · 07/08/2018 13:30

jassy in my accent the “a” sound in aw is the same as the “a” in at. The “a” sound in ah is different to both aw and ar.

SisterNotCisTerf · 07/08/2018 13:32

If cauf = cough then yes, cauf would be an accurate way to write the pronunciation. Bauth is incorrect. It is bath, short “ah” sound.

StripySocksAndDocs · 07/08/2018 13:37

I like that too @ChinkChink. Not seen it before!!

JassyRadlett · 07/08/2018 14:03

If cauf = cough then yes, cauf would be an accurate way to write the pronunciation. Bauth is incorrect. It is bath, short “ah” sound.

It was ‘calf’.

Sister, how do you pronounce ‘awe’, as in shock and awe, or ‘crawl’? I’m intrigued as I’ve never heard either, or similar words, with a short ‘a’ and I’m trying to imagine them.

I think we can agree in any case that both ‘ar’ and ‘aw’ are rubbish transliterations of a long ‘a’ sound.

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