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To serve these foods to muslim friends

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MissMildred · 04/08/2018 19:03

Hi - posting here for traffic but also because I don't want to BU. I invited some new school friends and their parents for a bbq in a couple of weeks and two of the families are muslim and mentioned they only eat halal.
I want to make an effort to make them feel comfortable, and it has also been very interesting learning all about what is halal or haram. Obviously no pork will be served. However, some of the guidance on the internet is not clear, so I wondered if anyone with this diet could help me with these items and whether it would BU to serve them up:

Vinegar - if I served this in eg. a coleslaw, are all types of vinegar fine? (Eg is the vinegar not seen as alcohol anymore?)
Butter - Am I overthinking this? Would you eat butter?
Alcohol - I know you wouldn't drink this, but is it acceptable for others in the group to be drinking a glass of wine?
Halloumi - I can't figure out if this is okay or not.

Also - any tips you might have would be great, especially if there are brands of crisps, bread, butter etc....you might use.

Thank you!

OP posts:
BertrandRussell · 06/08/2018 09:29

"As I have stated before, you are wrong about this and several supermarkets sell meat from unstunned animals"
Which supermarkets, please?

cleanerupper · 06/08/2018 09:35

Poor OP!! All she was asking was what to serve at a bbq and she gets all this on her post. I hope you have a great bbq, whatever you serve. Enjoy x

Sandstormbrewing · 06/08/2018 09:42

starcrossedseahorse the only supermarkets I know that sell deliberately unstunned meat are ones which have a specific halal butchers in them.

Supermarkets sell meat from unstunned animals both halal and not halal that should have been stunned but haven't. And that's because of the meat production industry, not due to religious beliefs.

YeTalkShiteHen · 06/08/2018 09:42

The pretence that halal slaughter is inhumane while non halal slaughter is kind and lovely and completely humane is not only staggeringly ignorant. It’s also wrong.

Sandstormbrewing · 06/08/2018 09:43

YeTalkShiteHen yup.

Glitched · 06/08/2018 09:43

I wouldn't eat halal food

FishingIsNotASport · 06/08/2018 09:46

I would not be happy being faced with halal meat and having no choice in the matter. I research places before I eat there and boycott those that serve this meat without it being clearly labelled as such.

Sandstormbrewing · 06/08/2018 09:47

For those who absolutely do not want to eat halal meat you need to start checking the abbatoir codes on your meat. There's very few abbatoirs in the UK not halal certified and you can't guarantee that meat produced from a halal certified slaughter house is not halal.

But do not kid yourselves that all non-halal meat is stunned. It isn't. Stun guns and cattle rods break. They don't stop slaughtering when this happens. They just carry on. If the line is moving slow, some animals come round before they are killed, they aren't re-stunned.

If you don't want to eat unstunned meat either kill your own or don't eat it.

Sandstormbrewing · 06/08/2018 09:48

Glitches and FishingIsNotASport why?

BertrandRussell · 06/08/2018 09:57

"I would not be happy being faced with halal meat and having no choice in the matter."
Presumably you would also not be happy to eat a Sunday Lunch where Grace has been said?

BertrandRussell · 06/08/2018 09:58

"I wouldn't eat halal food"

Why not?

YeTalkShiteHen · 06/08/2018 10:02

Curiously does the rejection of halal meat also include kosher meat?

36% of pigs they reckon get through the stunning process conscious, therefore move to the next stage awake and aware.

Now given that they’re pigs, that kind of excludes halal and kosher meat doesn’t it?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/08/2018 10:24

I really don't understand why all shops and restaurants aren't required to state in store, on packaging or on menus whether their meat is Halal or not. It would make it better for everybody who cares either way

You're in danger of bringing common sense into it, @manicinsomniac Wink

FWIW I don't personally have an issue around this, but is it really so unreasonable for everyone to have a choice - however ridiculous some think that choice is - without being harangued by a chorus of "whyyyyy?" and demands to justify themselves when that isn't obligatory?

No doubt some will claim they're "genuinely just interested", but given the witch-hunter tone of so many posts, it seems to me there's more going on than that

YeTalkShiteHen · 06/08/2018 10:26

Oh here we go with the accusations of witch hunting 🙄

When you have people making statements about “pandering to minorities” and not a single one of the anti halal lot (who can’t or won’t give a reason for a very vehement choice) disagreeing or condemning a statement like that it says it all.

But you’re happy to label people who are arguing against views like that. Why is that?

derxa · 06/08/2018 10:28

but given the witch-hunter tone Yes.

YeTalkShiteHen · 06/08/2018 10:29

What I mean by that is that that statement was made and not one of the people arguing against halal meat stopped and said “no that’s not why”. Which really is very telling.

FishingIsNotASport · 06/08/2018 10:30

Bertrand Russell would you ask a Jew or a Muslim why they won't eat non-halal meat? You'd get the same answer I'm sure - It's not my practice to and goes against my beliefs. Simple really.

JacquesHammer · 06/08/2018 10:33

Oh here we go with the accusations of witch hunting

Steady. My friend practises Wicca and blesses all her food. It was cause an explosion Wink

would you ask a Jew or a Muslim why they won't eat non-halal meat?

No. Because it’s widely understood why - and their practises are enshrined in law.

It's not my practice to and goes against my beliefs

But yet nobody (unless you’re Sikh or vegetarian) has actually given a reason other than “just cos”.

What ARE your beliefs that outlaw Halal?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/08/2018 10:37

here we go with the accusations of witch hunting

If the cap fits and all that Wink

And though I'm not keen on some of them, I've made no comment on this particular thread about remarks either way on minorities; I've simply said that I'd like everyone to be able to make their own choices on what they eat

I realise that won't suit some of the more ... err ... driven posters, but there it is

YeTalkShiteHen · 06/08/2018 10:37

And though I'm not keen on some of them, I've made no comment on this particular thread about remarks either way on minorities

I’d say the cap that fits you is blindingly clear with that little gem of a comment.

So you’ll forgive me for not really giving a shiny shite what you think.

Nibledbyducks · 06/08/2018 10:46

I'm really struggling with the concept of disagreeing with a religion being racist. Racism is the application of prejudice based on race. Race and religion are not the same. Not wanting to participate in another person's religion is not applying your views to them, and if done with full understanding is not prejudiced, and has nothing to do with race!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/08/2018 10:47

you’ll forgive me for not really giving a shiny shite what you think

That's perfectly fine; you're just as entitled to your view as others are to theirs ... even where, faced with a barrage of haranguing, they prefer not to bend the knee and attempt to "justify" themselves

BertrandRussell · 06/08/2018 10:47

"Bertrand Russell would you ask a Jew or a Muslim why they won't eat non-halal meat? You'd get the same answer I'm sure - It's not my practice to and goes against my beliefs. Simple really."
No I wouldn't. Because I would know already. Ditto why a Sikh would not eat Halal. Can I assume that you are a Sikh?

Nibledbyducks · 06/08/2018 10:52

And I'm saying that as a pagan who disagrees with organised religion but would prefer all meat to be very strictly halal as if it were the welfare standards would be extremely high!

Nibledbyducks · 06/08/2018 10:53

ooh who said witch hunting? I'm over here!

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