To believe that formula companies have PR agents working the BF/FF threads on here?

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They are a multi million pound set of companies that are invested in keeping Britain’s low breastfeeding rates down and keeping their profit margins up.

Any positives about breastfeeding seem to be shot down in flames on here.

So much pro formula and anti breastfeeding rhetoric.

They can easily afford to and have the best at the jobs be it lawyers, pr teams or spin doctors on their sides and they’re not exactly renounced for their ethics are they (nestle?!?!).

Or am I just getting a bit tied up in conspiracy therorys?

redteapot

That doesn't make it ok.

Lots of people ff from birth for various reasons. Doesn't mean they're making a substandard choice.

On fact 2 - of course there isn’t data for this. Bf is very badly studied. However, please talk to your friends that ebf about it - let them talk about the positives and if it got easier for them. They’d probably love to - bf is so often kept at home and ‘shamed’ beyond 6 months. Half my friends didn’t know I fed until 2 years as I know they would have judged and pulled ‘that’ face which happens often when you admit to feeedijg beyond a year. Please do go and gather the facts for yourself - bf should be discussed more.

It does not matter why you ff. Whether it's because it's easier or because you physically cannot.

NOBODY deserves the nasty judgement that you've dished out.

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Ah so it's not a fact at all then, thought so.

Just because you found it easier doesn't mean Everyone does

I am not sure you know what a fact is.

Everyone who exclusively breastfeeds at 9 months finds the breastfeeding easy - ie the feeding it’s self not the lack of sleep etc necessarily
I am so embarrassed for you, you cannot present this as a fact. I don't even know where to start with explaining to a human adult how something you "think" is true based on talking to your ebf friends is NOT a fact.
Godddd. I don't think we need any advice, pretend facts or anecdotes from someone who can't comprehend the difference between fact and opinion.

Are people really questioning that breastmilk is the optimal milk for a baby?!
Wow - the formula marketeers truly have done their job.

It is a fact - because it’s true. Go and find out for yourself.

Everyone who exclusively breastfeeds at 9 months finds the breastfeeding easy - ie the feeding it’s self not the lack of sleep etc necessarily.

Leaving aside that this is stated as fact without evidence to support it, can you see that the relationship between BF at 9 months and it ‘being easy’ may actually exist because those who find BF easy choose to continue and those that don’t choose to stop?

On fact 2 - of course there isn’t data for this.

Oh, right. But between you, your mum, Sheila from Poundland and the Avon lady you've managed to establish that the millions of women worldwide who EBF for 9 months ALL find it "easy".

I'm sure the Lancet will be on the phone any second now.

Are people really questioning that breastmilk is the optimal milk for a baby?!

Nope. Nobody has questioned that as you well know.

It's not a fact - it's your experience.

People are saying it depends what angle you look from. It's only optimal if you're looking solely at nutritional and health benefits. There are other factors. How important the other factors are is individual.

We're telling you to stop being judgemental towards those that choose to ff. We're also telling you to stop stating opinion and experience as fact

I am not sure how you cannot understand this?

You need to stop being judgmental to those who bf and want to talk about it positively

I'm not I have no issue with those who bf or talk about it positively

I have an issue with judgemental people who cannot understand opinion is not fact.

Zsa - which studies are that? I just don’t believe that’s true

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4077166/

Here you are @redteapot67

Jackie - I’m not the one being nasty - you are

I totally agree for many formula feeding is the best and often only choice. But the fact remains breastmilk is the optimal milk for a baby - I’ve always agreed that other circumstances may make it not the optimal milk for a particular baby.

That's not what you've said at all though, is it?

I was only talking about people who freely chose formula from birth, not even trying bf, because they believed formula was ‘just as good’ and easier for them

These people made a substandard choice you said .

Yes flamingo - I believe this small minority of people who do this are
They are actively giving their child a subsititute and have no real reason to do so.

Right... so you are still judging

I totally agree for many formula feeding is the best and often only choice

But you also say the above

So how do you know those people you are judging are not making the best or only choice?

Is there valid reasons for choosing not to bf at all? Are some of us ok to ff, but others not and should be judged and shamed for not bfing?

Basically you're judgemental against those who ff but you don't have the balls to admit it.

Well this has taken a turn for the... predictable.

Agreed - prob a good job the thread is about to hit capacity

It is predictable but it's also not ok to be judgemental over bf or ff. I don't see why it should not be challenged.