Is all this really happening?

[rosylea]

Sorry can't do links, but is all this real? YouTube "cps corruption US" and "Nancy Schaefer's Senatorial report The Corrupt Business of Child Protection Services" and "Denise Robertson UK social services".and "Wanted by The State". And there's more. Can't all be false, can it? Would appreciate views please.

I couldn't watch it all. It is heartbreaking. What is even more disturbing is it is posted on social media and identifying the child in probably one of his most traumatic experiences which I assume the parent chose to do. The same parent who did not comfort her child or try to pacify the situation.

What we do not know is why a judge decided he should be removed... could be for him, could be for other children in the home, we just don't know. But there was enough cause for them to make that decision and the woman references that they've been to court

The police had a horrific job to do there, but if the police don't... who does?? A social worker would have not had the power to legally physically remove the child

OP, it happened like that because of the Adults around him.

Would you rather there be more than the five children a week who die at the hands of their Parents and around 20 who are permanently disabled and SS not intercept?

SugarIsAmazing, that's what I worry about. My dd sometimes suffers from depression.

Go into any local News Site and put in "baby death" "toddler death". Read the other side, when SS don't act, or Family keep secrets.

Read some of the stories by childhood survivors of abuse, you can even do that on here.

There is a legal framework that has to adhered to. It's come about to raise the outcomes for children in abusive homes, or those at risk.

It is a lengthy process, at times, but it has to be to give all sides a chance and get a full understanding of the situation.

conspiracycunt you said you know the full story, are you able to share or would that be totally inappropriate? (didn't like typing your name. First time I've ever used that word, that's how ancient I am!)

""My dd sometimes suffers from depression.""

But it isn't about your DDs depression.

If her children came to the notice of SS there would have to be a reason.

They would investigate. Look at what is happening and if your DD was deemed to need support, she would be offered it. Do what is necessary for the children and there is no way that the children would be permanently removed. You would be looked at as a temporary carer, if things were bad.

Unexplained bruising means it is in a place were an accident wouldn't have caused it. Children under a certain age, non verbal, vulnerable, are sometimes removed because in the past when they haven't been, there has been too many deaths/brain injuries.

Why is that difficult to understand?

Does your Grandchildren's safety mean nothing?

Children wont be taken away just because of depression. Statistics show that 1 in 4 people will face a mental health problem in any given year, that would be an awful lot of children.

If the depression is so debilitating that it makes the parent incapable of looking after the children properly then they may step in to help. People see SS as child snatchers but that's just not true.

How many people are going to say 'my children were taken because I didn't feed/wash/care properly for them' and how many would simply say 'they were taken because of my depression'?

@rosylea sorry I don't feel it's my business to share. The parent may mumsnet for support since and it would be horrific if she recognised herself and kids.

What I will say... she was devastated but she agreed in hindsight it was the best for them.

I'm not referring to the video case. I'm referring to a personal experience seeing someone lose their children by force

....if your Dd was deemed to need support, she would be offered it. But would she? Last year spero said on MN that nowadays the focus (or emphasis, can't remember which) is on removal rather than support.

LOoked to me like many children being removed from a household full of aggressive, unfeeling adults who jump to violence at the slightest chance.

I’d wants to be in a large group of coppers going into that situation too and I can totally see why a social worker wasn’t thre, a social worker is far more vulnerable than a police officer in that situation.

Need to go to work now but thanks for all replies. So some posters feel the video is real, but that police action was likely necessary. I think a better way could have been found, such as collecting the boy from school. But there again, maybe he wasn't even attending school, who knows?

I'm also taking SugarandVinegar's advice. You're right to trawl for news online and not just get it from the msm - keep doing it. Thanks

Maybe he wasn't going to school? Maybe it was an emergency order and they couldn't wait until morning? Maybe it was a weekend?

The point is we don't know the circumstances or the history. Whoever posted is not going to tell the truth, they are going to spin it into the best possible light for them and say the nasty police/SS snatched their child away from a loving family.

SS are not the child snatcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. They are trying to do their best in a difficult situations. If your daughter gets overwhelmed then I'm sure she will have a family/friends who will step in but not everybody does, and that is where the help needs to come from somewhere else.

I'm also taking SugarandVinegar's advice. You're right to trawl for news online and not just get it from the msm - keep doing it. Thanks

Be cynical of everything, everyone has their own agenda and nobody is unbiased. Do your own research. Even facts and figures can be manipulated to suit. I do get some of my news on YT BUT I don't blindly believe everything I am told.

e.g. - A city as the lowest crime in the country with only 2 crimes in 2016 and 3 in 2017.

One newspaper has a small piece which says it's the safest city in the country while another a front page headline of 'CRIMES UP BY 50%'. Both are true but both would be received completely differently.

Social workers and police are just ordinary people, I doubt they go into that line of work because they enjoy harming children and families .

As an aside, my dsis has not had any children removed despite severe domestic abuse/ filthy home/ rarely attending school and a good few years of SS involvement because of it. Her children are fucked up in many ways.
SS simply don’t have the funding to be removing children even when it’s needed.

This is why I would like a lot more filming of cases and publicity so people get to see real cases, and more judges publishing judgments so we get increasing understanding and transparency. Most of the decisions taken are right. Sometimes there will be cases which are wrong or bad.

It can certainly be wise to keep yourself well away from the state's attention.

That podcast was bloody brilliant and yes is excellent material for anyone wanting to know more about it. If you discount it because the bbc covered up for Saville, well you will be hard pressed to find any news organisation that hasnt covered something up. If you listen youll hear the balance. It really does tell all sides of that particular adoption story - the mum, dad, grandad, sw, fostermum, new parents.

Just watched the video. Distressing? Absolutely. And yet a perfect example of why children are removed. Did you hear her say she wasnt going to make him do what he didnt want to do? Rather than what is best for him and what he has to do?

As for her questionning the lack of sw - what does the law say? If a child is removed does there have to be a sw present?

@rosylea yes. I've suffered depression. No children removed. Lots of support offered. LOTS

Only time I have ever come into contact with social services- I was offered TONS of support. Nobody took my kids away!

Please stop going down this road, we've tried to tell you but you won't hear it.

Your DD can start a family and relax. Unless she tries to take her life regularly, has a severe and complex personality disorder, and self medicates with substances... her kids will be with her from birth

Thanks conspiracy, I've taken that on board and other pp's who are saying similar.

But for those who were throwing insults at me, it seems the video is real. Maybe look at your own behaviour?

Can you also see what PP are saying about not knowing all the facts surrounding that poor child's removal?

And that it is utterly heartbreaking but it's possible that social workers, a judge and the police who do know the full story were actually acting in the child's best interest?

It is incredibly upsetting that this child is identified online experiencing this.

Nobody knows the story... supposing he was abusing siblings? Supposing he was being abused? There are so many scenarios it could be... and we don't know.

If my child was removed... it would break me and devastate me, but in that moment I would be trying to minimise the distress - and jumping through any hoop necessary to show I would act in my child's best interest. Getting legal help afterwards to return my child asap. It seems from the comments you hear that the child has run away from a carer and returned home... of course, he loves his parents. The parents could have assured him they are trying to get him home asap, and returned him to the carer and worked alongside everyone to make it as least upsetting as possible, not refused and what happened be experienced

Rosylea, don’t pay mind to those who want to insult.

To be fair, I think I look at this topic a bit differently to you, but I can respect your concerns.

It is scary that these videos and articles etc are out there, and I won’t say that mistakes aren’t made because there are no perfect people or organisations

But all you can do is have trust that your daughter (and you- you sound like you’d be very involved) will do whatever is in the best interests of her children when they are born.

Please please please take one thing from my post though, children aren’t just taken away, it isn’t easy and the system is overrun. I’m 27 so we’re not talking a million years ago, in my childhood SS were involved, when thy get involved with a family they build a case report, we’re talking 1 inch thick. In that case report of our family it was noted they knew I was at risk of emotional abuse, they knew that o had been coerced into lying to them about our home life, they knew because my story wasn’t the same as my siblings, my version of events wasn’t the same as my teachers (yes we’re always bathed, yes our clothes are clean and appropriate -school says hippo is unclean and lacks basic items like PE kit, school uniform is in poor state, hippo is bullied because of the above, hippo takes on parental role of siblings) I was about 11 at this time.

They’d seen the state of our house, they didn’t remove us. It really isn’t that easy.

To have your children taken you have to in a very small minority really be unfortunate, or you have to be a parent who isn’t willing to accept help to stop failing your child.

The only further advice I can give is to look up the advice sheets that explain what neglect/emotional abuse/physical abuse are, and make sure none of those things are done,

You REALLY need to stop worrying. It’ll all be ok.

Thanks everyone, you've been so kind putting my mind at rest. I have my sensible hat on again now. It was such a shock when I first saw it, then there were links to Denise Robertson, etc, etc. Sensible hat now firmly on. x

Hungryhippo90, sorry you had such a rough time of it when you were a child. I hope you are over all that and thank-you for sharing. And to others who have shared on this thread