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Is all this really happening?

168 replies

rosylea · 01/08/2018 19:39

Sorry can't do links, but is all this real? YouTube "cps corruption US" and "Nancy Schaefer's Senatorial report The Corrupt Business of Child Protection Services" and "Denise Robertson UK social services".and "Wanted by The State". And there's more. Can't all be false, can it? Would appreciate views please.

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SealSong · 02/08/2018 11:04

I despair of humanity sometimes.

Seriously OP, there is a ton of bollocks fake news out there just waiting for you if you have an appetite to believe nonsense. If on the other hand you want to learn about the real world and what happens, use CREDIBLE news sources.

SurfnTerfFantasticmissfoxy · 02/08/2018 11:12

I'm pretty sure the OP has got the message now but just in case....
DSis works for social services and trust me, they are so pushed for resources the very last thing they would be doing is involving themselves in families / kids who didn't need it! SS intervention and care / adoption services is very very expensive and is used only where absolutely needed. They have no spare time or resources to go chasing after families who are no risk to their children. Quite the opposite in fact, DSis's case load is so huge she is constantly worried that a child who does need help is going to slip through the cracks.

manaftermidnight · 02/08/2018 11:22

I don't think she has got the message at all

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza · 02/08/2018 11:46

She/he doesn’t want to get the message.

The questions and the thick “act” (how much of an act is up to question I suppose, since you have to be pretty gullible to believe these conspiracies, just in a slightly different way) are not in good faith.

The aim is to spread disinformation, not to be reassured and enlightened by other posters.

The clues are the inability to resist a sarky reference to Netflix, and the fact that he/she has been on here long enough to read Spero’s comments from years ago, but apparently is still unable to figure out copy and paste. Chinny reckon.

rosylea · 02/08/2018 17:21

And yet...................although "completely obvious", posters are still unable to explain how they recognise this?

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MrsChollySawcutt · 02/08/2018 17:33

Give it up OP, no-one is really this dense.

donquixotedelamancha · 02/08/2018 18:33

@rosylea. How did you recognise that, if you don't mind me asking?

Sorry, my post last night wasn't phrased as I would wish (tiredness). I'll clarify. I don't know whether the video itself is fake (as in whether that really is a US senator), but I concluded that it's claims weren't genuine or were grossly overstated because:

  1. The report alleges fraud on the part of CPS, but provides no evidence for it. Hyperbolic claims without supporting evidence are a hallmark of this type of hoax. If a senator had evidence of fraud, they would have no difficulty pursuing it.
  1. The senator claims that SW's motivation for removing children is 'to increase their budgets'. This flies in the face of my experience of human beings. People don't take up thankless, poorly paid, public service jobs and then suddenly lose all their values to meet a quota.
  1. She makes claims that my experience suggests are untrue.

Her main argument is that US Social services should be defunded, and that these huge budgets have to be justified; but the US spends paltry amounts on SS compared to other countries.

Her conclusion is that families should never have children removed. I know first hand the awful abuse that leads to children being removed in the UK- I can't imagine this doesn't occur in the US with it's greater social problems.

  1. The video and report only seem to be referenced on sites with no credibility. If there was even the remotest evidence in support of these claims then (at least) some main-ish news sites would pick the story up.

I have no direct experience of US adoptions, so ultimately I can only reach a conclusion based on a brief google. The bottom line is that big claims require big evidence, and there seems to be none.

I do have experience of parents who abuse/neglect their children, but fall below the threshold where SS would remove the child (i.e. far from the worst cases). In my experience the common factor is a complete inability to accept responsibility for their actions. Often they are very plausible and you feel a desperate desire to help someone who 'just doesn't understand the system' and you think it will be easy to support them to turn things around. With many cases the support doesn't work, because they don't want to fix the problems, they want to blame everyone else.

I wish SS had more money to try to intervene earlier, and more effectively, to stop adoptions being necessary- but that is much easier said than done. When a child is being abused I would far rather they are kept safe than left with an abuser.

KoolAidPickle · 02/08/2018 18:35

Give it up OP, no-one is really this dense

If only that were true.

Sparklesocks · 02/08/2018 19:01

Thanks donquixotedelamancha, that’s really comprehensive and informed.

NynaeveSedai · 02/08/2018 19:07

There again there was that family law barrister on MN last year (spero) who said the emphasis is on removal rather than support

That's not what @spero says at all.

The law is very clear OP and there is government guidance as well that anyone can read. Try reading the children act section 31 and 'working together to safeguard children'.

Social workers are professionally trained and publicly accountable. Ofsted reports are available. Serious case reviews are available. They aren't running a child trafficking scheme. Are you really so stupid that you believe that is going on with the collusion of judges across the land?

SunnyCoco · 02/08/2018 19:33

Oh god @holdmecloser so I’ve been duped by a fake spreading fakes about fakes arghhhh meta fake!

Time for a social media break I think. 🤦‍♀️

rosylea · 02/08/2018 22:12

donquixote, thank you so much for that detailed post. My dd is often telling me to stop believing everything on the Internet, YouTube etc.Smile

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rosylea · 02/08/2018 22:15

Still uncomfortable about the 8 police removing the crying child though. It would take a lot to convince me that's not real and I've had a few sleepless nights over it.

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Monday55 · 02/08/2018 22:26

OP are you American ?

rosylea · 02/08/2018 22:28

Holdmecloser, your post makes me sound quite exciting! Disinformation spreader!!! Grin Are you always this paranoid? Here, calm down and have one (or two) of these Wine

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donquixotedelamancha · 02/08/2018 22:28

OP are you American? Bloody hell, there have been some rude comments on this thread, but I think that's a bit much :-)

NynaeveSedai · 02/08/2018 22:30

When children are removed from parents police rarely attend. Very occasionally they will send an officer to accompany the social worker.
8 police officers would only attend (and I'm not saying that this has ever happened or that the video is real) if there were adults present who posed a real and immediate risk of causing death to the child/ren and/or social workers. In which case - what's better? Remove child safely with police support or leave them with highly dangerous people??

DuchessThingy · 02/08/2018 22:30

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

NynaeveSedai · 02/08/2018 22:30

Are you always this paranoid?

Pot, meet kettle

rosylea · 02/08/2018 22:31

Agreed donquixote that really takes the biscuit! Wink

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rosylea · 02/08/2018 22:33

No, I'm not American, but I know someone who is. Does that count?

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rosylea · 02/08/2018 22:38

Duchess, don't worry. I'm going back to Gransnet soon! Wink

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hungryhippo90 · 02/08/2018 22:43

OP, social services don’t just swoop in and take kids for no reason.

When your DD has children ensure she has a good support network in yourself, partner, partners parents/ siblings, friends.... even paid help like a doula/ nanny if funds allow.

Steer her in the direction where she is able to plan for times that she is unwell so babies needs are met if she is unable to do so.

Having depression doesn’t preclude you from being a decent parent though. I have had depression since DD was born, I have had awful anxiety, I have a personality disorder.

I’ve made a simple promise to ensure that DDs needs will always come first, everyone around me knows that if I start to act iffy, that I will never judge any of our “support network” for pulling me up if I should lose sight of DDs best interests.

Luckily My anxiety has meant that I have been super focused on DDs needs even if it’s driving me mad...

So maybe your DD will do just fine

rosylea · 02/08/2018 22:44

Nynaeve, you can hear the mother saying there should have been a social worker. Also if the parents are so dangerous, why aren't they being arrested or removed instead of the boy? In fact they are leaving other children at home, so the parents are not dangerous.

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Tessliketrees · 02/08/2018 22:52

@rosylea

I read a bit about the Denis Richardson thing and her concerns seem legit. It's not because of any conspiracy of child trafficking though.

I can't find the video with the child but I think I remember it being on main stream news a few years ago. Is child with dad in a living room?

If so there was outcry at the time. I can't remember the full story but I am pretty sure they weren't trying to sell the child into trafficking. How do you think authorities remove kids if the parents wont co-operate?

Be practical. Social workers are humans, social work training isn't secret or particularly exclusive. The staff turn over is astronomical. How the fuck would they institute this kind of policy? Do you think it's on the agenda in team meetings?