to wonder when UK English got so Americanised?

[Ringsender2]

I've read 2 threads this morning where people have gone to the 'store'. Then there's the 'gotten' and 'mom' thing. I feel like a spluttering Basil Fawlty saying this, but when did English in the UK lose its identity so much? Was Friends the start of the rot or was it earlier?

That's correct. It has to have both a closet and a window to be called a bedroom here. If a wardrobe counted you could stick one in any old room and call it a bedroom.

According to this, my 5-bedroom house has only 2 bedrooms, both of which are downstairs, and none of the upstairs rooms are bedrooms, despite one having a dressing room.

According to this, my 5-bedroom house has only 2 bedrooms

If you read back to where it was posted, it''s clear that the here in my statement is the United States.

I haven't RTFT but I thought I'd add my own rage maker (which may or not be an Americanism): people who say waiting on rather than waiting for.

If you read back to where it was posted, it''s clear that the here in my statement is the United States.

My house is also in the United States, sorry if this was not clear.

Where I live a real estate agent would not let you list them as bedrooms. They have to have a common definition or the listings wouldn't be comparable.

www.bobvila.com/articles/406-what-makes-a-room-a-bedroom/

Fittingly, property assessors will follow the same bedroom definition when determining the number of bedrooms in a given home—that is, it must have a door, a closet, and an egress window.

The issue about shakesperean english using gotten is simply that we dropped it and the settlers in US Didnt.

Not sure how old you are but the read swing to America started in 1930. The American films told of a lifestyle through the war and 50's that Brits yearned for. Fridges and showers, we thought all Americans had them, not realising the poverty that was also there. After the war, Europe was on its knees with poverty and America was rich. And then there was jazz, rock and pop that English musicians all copied. We have been imitating them ever since. Throw in a few Australianisms too. If young people aspire to a country, then the language will be adopted. Language evolves for good or for bad. No point getting hung up about it. Even radio 4 interviews start every sentence with "So...." We can either get mad about it or let it run. Some things die out like the Hippy talk of the 60's, God that was dire, Far out Man. I think it is worse that countries like France and Italy have to put up with their young people using English words when there are perfectly good words in their own language (like weekend)

Interesting - I'd never heard of that but it makes sense as it was actually sold to us as a 3-bed so I assume the dressing room qualifies the third room as a bedroom. We'll add some closets when we sell. For now there's no need as the dressing room is so huge, all the clothes are kept in there.

The reason for noticing the use of words and querying their usage was actually me wondering whether they were a reliable indicator of posters not being quite who they seem

. This is an anonymous internet chat site OP, I can pretty much guarantee that no one here is who they seem to be.

I find it odd that you’d expect anything else.

Given how easy it is to be outed, limiting or changing personal details about yourself when posting is only sensible

Under this username you can tell I live in the USA but I don’t give any other personal details about myself, I’d be far too easily identified otherwise.

I use other MN usernames to discuss specific topics but would never mention where I live when using those names.

It doesn’t make me a troll, it just makes me circumspect.

I'm reading a book set in the US where a fairly posh character describes her hair as "dirty blond".

I had to Google that because she didn't seem to be saying it needed a wash. Is it really a thing?

Yes, Empress, dirty blonde just means dark blonde.

"Yes, Empress, dirty blonde just means dark blonde"

I think it's always had a quite different connotation..... Nothing to do with needing a wash, though. Well, probably not

I think it's always had a quite different connotation

Well, evidently not for L'Oreal.

www.lorealparisusa.com/beauty-magazine/hair-color/hair-color-tutorials/dirty-blonde-hair-color-spring-tutorial.aspx

Ok, thank you.

Yeh ive heard that saying. In 1993 so it is not new!

How did the grandfather pronounce ass 'arse'?

'Arse' is probably only used by British and Irish people in the US.

I raise you press for cupboard and minerals for soft/fizzy drinks.

Commentators bewailing the supposed corruption, bastardisation and loucheness of American English have been at it for at least 200 years, so there's nothing new under the sun. If two centuries-plus of whingeing hasn't yet been effective, it might be best to admit a gracious defeat.

Please tell me we will never serve marshmallows cooked on top of green beans and condensed mushroom soup and call it a casserole?

It's French-fried onions that go on top of the green bean casserole. Marshmallows go on top of sweet potato casserole.

My kids were r