To think it can’t be that a hard to keep drugs out of prisons

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it Shocks me every time I hear about how ride it is with known dealers inside.
Surely, if there was a proper will, it could easily be all but eradicated?

special
many are quite intelligent aint they,not even counting the jailhouse lawyers

All the examples given on this thread of drugs getting into prison from friends/family could be solved

I agree but it takes money. Money, money, money. I am not even necessarily against what you are suggesting as long as it was combined with other things aimed at rehabilitation but again that takes money.

It's like saying "I don't understand why we don't have a nation full of genius children... all it would require is giving all 3-16 year olds access to on call tutors in each subject". It seems so easy!

@mrjoepike who on earth said that?

Lots of things go on in prisons that shouldn’t. A lot of the people there should not be there due to mental health issues but sadly there’s a huge lack of beds for mental health patients (most would need secure units). Prisons here are a mess and the problems with spice are huge. I agree OP that more should be done to keep it out.

It’s the people working in the prisons that are supplying the drugs.

mrjoepike, if that quote is 20 years old, I seriously despair for society.

How about reducing the Prison population that has tripled since the 80s... have people become so bad so fast?

Without proper rehabilitation, it just becomes a merry-go-round of re offending.

Family contact, education and exposure to normal work life is what limits the demand. of course with such low numbers of Prison and Probation staff, non of the above ever takes place, so drugs become the answer.

The Victorian Prison system didnt work, which is why they were reformed, i dont know why you think going back 150 years is progress.

hollow a three year old little boy i knew .met him in a visiting room.actually played with him and his big sister.
honestly i think he just articulated what many of these kids are brought up to think. asked someone who would know and he agreed.

Yes, OP you're totally right. I assume you'll be popping down to Wormwood Scrubs and letting them know how you plan on solving it. It'll only take you a couple of days as it's so easy.

honestly i think he just articulated what many of these kids are brought up to think

Who are "these" kids? What is the collective group you are talking about?

kids of inmates/this one in particular had half his family in a major gang
they are raised to believe it.he wasnt the only one just the first and youngest

@tessliketrees

I like drugs and synthetic canninoids are on the most part entirely without merit. Given their relatively recent appearance on the recreational drug scene I have personally witnessed way more incidents of spice/synthetic induced fuckups than I've seen in a many years long drug enjoying life for every other drug combined

Of course there's an element of media hype to the reporting, it's reporting after all! but they are ime a genuinely horrible family of drugs

@mrjoepike

kids of inmates

Thought so but I was just checking.

I don't believe for a second that happened by the way I was just interested to know what group you were talking about.

believe what you will from a 30 year visitor and child minder.

@easyandy101

It seems that the scary thing is that Spice doesn't actually exist as a real thing. But I wonder if you could say the same of Ecstasy?

I must be getting too old for it, despite knowing many recreational drug users Spice seems to have passed them all by.

High security prisons which mollycoddle their inmates are an abomination

Which prison is that ?

@EnthusiasmIsDisturbed well the man who tortured, raped and murdered my friend has a games console, telly, tea and coffee making facilities, access to whatever he’d like from the supermarket (unless it’s medication or could be used as a weapon) which gets delivered to the prison for him and can even order nice new clothes for himself.

So the big one in Edinburgh for a start

From family experience it's not just spice that's the issue. Things may have altered by now , but last yr when daughter was in prison she got 'spike' with a spice and buscopan joint. A lot of prisons will say they have IBS to get buscopan tablets, grind them up and smoke it. The smoking ban has done fuck all. Her release this time was delayed due to her being found smoking a joint in her cell. The search going into the prison is laughable, I feel sorry for the guards. 1 checking paperwork and 1 doing a quick pat down . From what I've witnessed it would be very easy to take anything into the prison and pass it on.

Is it so hard to believe or accept that patterns are repeated through the generations in families? If you can come from a family where it's standard to become a doctor or lawyer (and I know lots where it is), then surely there can be families in which criminality is regarded as a normal rite of passage?

@XingMing

Is it so hard to believe or accept that patterns are repeated through the generations in families?

Not at all, it's the explanation given I find unconvincing.

The explanation being that kids are actively encouraged to go to jail to the point were three year olds come out with statements like the one the above poster made up quoted.

When the product "spice" first appeared the effects were pretty innocuous, it wasn't really much like getting stoned but it definitely did something

A few generations down the line in terms of product development/ chemical variation it's turned into something that I've seen people take one blast of and immediately go into seizure, the 2 varieties I have tried (once buy accident and once deliberately) were both distinctly unpleasant experiences, if smoking weed, even super strength was like that then no way would weed be the ubiquitous drug it is.

Most older non problematic drug users don't want anything to do with something that is basically crapper than what is normally available to you. I can see why is successful in a very prescriptive setting though as all of the most horrific drugs seem to proliferate under harsh regimes

Most of the rc market that grew up in the UK was on account of the fact that e's were too shit for too long

An interesting effect of legislation

The explanation being that kids are actively encouraged to go to jail to the point were three year olds come out with statements like the one the above poster made up quoted

My friend has had to involve children’s social services to stop her ex’s social worker/justice worker pressuring her to take their sons to prison to see him for the umpteenth sentence! Thankfully her SW got the woman to back off, but it took some doing.

we have 5 generations of police officers in my family.
on my husbands all military
the old line mafia was generational murder and mayhem.
like my personal advisor says ya go with what ya know.
some get out most don't

@easyandy101

Experience wise it sounds like Salvia, which (in case there is any misunderstanding) is not a compliment.

I can see why is successful in a very prescriptive setting though as all of the most horrific drugs seem to proliferate under harsh regimes

A guy I know said that when he was in prison they used to set boot polish on the window sill and it would separate out the alcohol. They would then drink it and would literally make them blind. When I asked him why the fuck they would do this he said "it was boring". I don't know if it was true or possible but your post reminded me of that story.

oh and fuck off tess