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To think it can’t be that a hard to keep drugs out of prisons

252 replies

Stoveding · 31/07/2018 19:33

it Shocks me every time I hear about how ride it is with known dealers inside.
Surely, if there was a proper will, it could easily be all but eradicated?

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Tessliketrees · 31/07/2018 21:29

@YeTalkShiteHen

I am not sure what the relevance is to what you quoted.

XingMing · 31/07/2018 21:30

@TessLikeTrees. I am not judging the veracity of the poster's comment, and v certainly not qualified in any way to assess it, but I find it infinitely sad and sadly, fear that it has a slight ring of truth.

Tessliketrees · 31/07/2018 21:31

@YeTalkShiteHen

Ahhh sorry I get it now!

I meant actively encouraged to be sent to jail! As in -commit a crime and get caught and jailed.

YeTalkShiteHen · 31/07/2018 21:31

I am not sure what the relevance is to what you quoted

You disputed that children are pressured to go into prisons and encouraged to say things like the poster quoted and you declared a lie.

The ex I quoted would have taken great delight in encouraging such things and the pressure was there for her to take her boys in (she refused).

It’s not unlikely at all sadly.

YeTalkShiteHen · 31/07/2018 21:32

Ah right ok, I misunderstood your point. But sadly no, I can see that being encouraged too.

Lovelylovelyllamas · 31/07/2018 21:33

Don’t know anything about prisons but sounds like I’ll be seeing some of ye at the fitba on Saturday. Hail hail.

Tessliketrees · 31/07/2018 21:36

@XingMing

Stories like that are nice to believe. That way we can convince ourselves that we can make our children immune from those things by saying the right things. There is an element of victim blaming there too, if kids are raised to want to go to jail then obviously they are going to be terrible adults.

I am not accusing you of this, obviously you are speaking with compassion. I am just saying why I object to those kids of anecdotes (that, again, are probably just made up) as explanations.

There is evidence that children of prisoners are more likely to offend themselves. There is also evidence that children of prisoners are more likely to suffer mental health problems and poverty.

XingMing · 31/07/2018 21:37

Facetious (it's not complimentary BTW... use your dictionary) @Llamas.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 31/07/2018 21:37

YeTalkShiteHen

I understand for yourself you aren’t being subjective I and site I and most of us would be

But the prison service needs to manage their prisoners. Bored locked up for hours on end nothing to do, nothing to look forward to it may sound like the right punishment but you create a dangerous situation

Having your freedom taken away is the punishment not having choices or very limited ones is your punishment having a tv, PS4 tea and coffee on tap with a few nice clothes every now and then doesn’t make up for you being kept away from society

ParkheadParadise · 31/07/2018 21:37

Don’t know anything about prisons but sounds like I’ll be seeing some of ye at the fitba on Saturday. Hail hail
😂😂😂😂

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 31/07/2018 21:40

You are being subjective .... is what i meant to say (sorry poorly written sentence)

BluePrintedLove · 31/07/2018 21:40

Name changed for this but I am a prison officer of 6 years and can safely say that the prison documentary in Durham was incredibly tame. Never been to Durham so it may be the norm for them but where I work, 6 officers for a wing of 150 prisoners is pretty good going on a normal day. Interesting reading this thread, seeing what the general public think the prison service is really like. It's become the norm for me and threads like these remind me that it really isn't.

BifsWif · 31/07/2018 21:40

Nail on head enthusiasm

YeTalkShiteHen · 31/07/2018 21:43

@EnthusiasmIsDisturbed that’s a fair point tbh, both about me being subjective (you’re right, I am) and about the need to make life safe and tolerable for the staff.

GruffaloPants · 31/07/2018 21:43

Stop paper going in OP?

So, no legal paperwork, prescriptions, psychological assessments, education, letters, hymn sheets, Narcotics Anonymous literature, drug leaflets....

Ok then.

YeTalkShiteHen · 31/07/2018 21:44

@Lovelylovelyllamas our season tickets are in section 116 Grin

grasspigeons · 31/07/2018 21:45

My relative was in prison last year and they were shocked by the drugs. All these fishing lines going from room to room (relative doest do drugs)So whilst op might be naive, my prisoner relative was too and they couldn't understand where it was all coming from. He had the impression that if you didn't have a problem at the start of your sentence, you would at the end of it, if you were young or vulnerable in anyway. He was moved to an open prison after a few months which had less issues.

YeTalkShiteHen · 31/07/2018 21:46

@BluePrintedLove is that a result of funding cuts? It must be bloody stressful!

ParkheadParadise · 31/07/2018 21:46

But the prison service needs to manage their prisoners. Bored locked up for hours on end nothing to do,nothing to look forward to it may sound like the right punishment but you create a dangerous situation

What about the families left behind. What do they have to look forward too.

LoveAGoodToddlerTantrum · 31/07/2018 21:46

OP you'll be pleased to know HM Prison service is recruiting and I'm sure we'd love for you to fix the drug problem that we've obviously not been trying to fix.

XingMing · 31/07/2018 21:47

@Tessliketrees
I don't find stories like this easy or nice. In bits of my life, it has come too close to home to be comfortable. In other parts, I'm as MC and comfortable and smug as a bug in a rug.

But I have taught secondary in rough parts of poor cities and I am not naive about the pitfalls and temptations that exist for young people who lack the skills to navigate the transition to a settled adult existence, and a secure well paid job that would make it all work.

YeTalkShiteHen · 31/07/2018 21:48

What about the families left behind. What do they have to look forward too

That’s the biggest problem isn’t it? That in a system designed to give justice, so often the focus is on the perpetrator and their needs and the victims and their families are all too often an afterthought if they’re even considered at all.

BluePrintedLove · 31/07/2018 21:48

Having your freedom taken away is the punishment not having choices or very limited ones is your punishment having a tv, PS4 tea and coffee on tap with a few nice clothes every now and then doesn’t make up for you being kept away from society

Agree with this, and I am an officer. How on earth are we meant to rehabilitate if prisoners have no sense of self worth at all? Anyone who thinks that someone with a 10+ year sentence is going to feel like they're in a hotel because they have a PlayStation and a cuppa is deluded. Many, many prisoners are people who have made poor decisions in life and are not inherently 'bad' people.

I have been assaulted numerous times. Twice seriously. Imagine what it would be like for staff if prisoners didn't have their small luxuries? Everyone needs an incentive, we need to teach prisoners that they are worthy of compassion, rehabilitation and a life outside of the walls. The lack of these things is often what causes them to offend in the first place.

Oldaintallthat · 31/07/2018 21:48

@SpecialBond

Excellent posts.

BluePrintedLove · 31/07/2018 21:49

@YeTalkShiteHen numerous things. Cuts, shite pay, dangerous wings, terrible terms and conditions. Staff turnover is HIGH.