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'A Liar should have a good Memory,' Trump thread cont.

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lionheart · 30/07/2018 02:58

Quotation from Quintillian, I believe (unless someone was fibbing about that too).

Old thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3309032-Has-Trump-Turned-Traitor-Trump-thread-continued?watched=1&msgid=79826824#79826824

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ohmymimi · 15/08/2018 08:00

"Correction from today's briefing: Jobs numbers for Pres Trump and Pres Obama were correct, but the time frame for Pres Obama wasn't. I'm sorry for the mistake, but no apologies for the 700,000 jobs for African Americans created under President Trump," Sanders wrote in a tweet.'

'...... While it's true that the US economy has added about 700,000 jobs held by African American workers since Trump took office, it added about 3 million black jobs while Obama was in office, according federal labor statistics.
When Obama took office in 2009, 15.5 million African Americans had jobs in an economy filleted by one of the country's worst recessions. When he left office, the economy had 18.4 million black workers.'

<a class="break-all" href="https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/08/14/politics/sarah-sanders-african-american-jobs-trump-obama/index.html#click=t.co/GrBuCnzjBT" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/08/14/politics/sarah-sanders-african-american-jobs-trump-obama/index.html#click=t.co/GrBuCnzjBT

ohmymimi · 15/08/2018 08:04

“The Administration has an interest in you interacting with Covered Organizations such as Fox News,” wrote White House counsel Don McGahn in a July 13 memo granting an ethics waivers to Shine, a former Fox executive. “[T]he need for your services outweighs the concern that a reasonable person may question the integrity of the White House Office’s programs and operations.”

amp.thedailybeast.com/white-house-its-in-public-interest-for-staff-to-skirt-ethics-rules-to-meet-with-fox-news?source=twitter&via=desktop&__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 15/08/2018 08:09

'A cargo ship carrying $20 million of soybeans has been drifting off the coast of China for a month — and it shows the real-world effects of the trade war'
amp.businessinsider.com/peak-pegasis-drifting-cargo-ship-is-a-victim-of-us-china-trade-war-2018-8?__twitter_impression=true

TheClaws · 15/08/2018 08:33

So, what is it, SHS? Did she get caught in her own creative lie, then? Because we should call any deliberate mistruth a lie, not a ‘mistake’.

The Hill @thehill
5h5 hours ago
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JUST IN: Sarah Sanders admits she used false numbers to claim Trump created more jobs for black people than Obama hill.cm/JUde7O6

mackerella · 15/08/2018 09:01

America’s Newspapers Just Played Right Into Trump’s Hands

Nothing flatters an independent journalist less than the sight of him forming a line to drink from the same fountain as his colleagues. Such a spectacle will unfold on Thursday, August 16, as 200 or more editorial pages will heed the call sounded by Boston Globe op-ed page editor Marjorie Pritchard to run editorials opposing President Donald Trump’s unrelieved press-bashing. Participating dailies include the Houston Chronicle, the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Miami Herald and the Denver Post, as well as the Globe. Joining the movement are the American Society of News Editors and the New England Newspaper and Press Association. Dan Rather is on board, as is the Radio Television Digital News Association.

“Our words will differ. But at least we can agree that such attacks are alarming,” Pritchard’s appeal declared.

It goes without saying that press bashing, Trump-style, is alarming. His critiques rarely point to genuine inaccuracies in the press. Instead, his method is to dismiss any news that impedes his agenda or disparages him as fake and dishonest. With demagogic bluster, he routinely deploys “enemies of the people” rhetoric against journalists, which some say has inspired physical threats against journalists. Early this month, he tweeted that reporters are “dangerous & sick” and accused them of causing war (!) and purposely causing “great division & distrust.” Early in his presidency, Trump said, “I’ve never seen more dishonest media than, frankly, the political media.”

Most journalists agree that there’s a great need for Trump rebuttals. I’ve written my share. But this Globe-sponsored coordinated editorial response is sure to backfire: It will provide Trump with the circumstantial evidence of the existence of a national press cabal that has been convened solely to opposes him. When the editorials roll off the press on Thursday, all singing from the same script, Trump will reap enough fresh material to whale on the media for at least a month. His forthcoming speeches almost write themselves: By colluding against me, the fake media proved once and for all, that they are in cahoots with the Democrats and have declared themselves to be my true political opposition …

The Globe’s anti-Trump project is also an exercise in redundancy, not to mention self-stroking. Most newspapers have already published a multitude of editorials and columns rebuking the president for his trash-talking of the press. Most major editorial boards opposed Trump’s election, according to this tally by Business Insider. The largest of the 19 newspapers to endorse Trump was the Las Vegas Review-Journal, owned by one of his faithful donors, Sheldon Adelson. More than 240 endorsed Hillary Clinton. Editorial-page sentiment against Trump remains largely unchanged since the election, making the call for a collective reprimand all the more pointless.

Another problem with a nationally coordinated pro-press catechism is that the audience likely to reap the greatest benefit from the haranguing—Trump and many in his base—tends not to read newspapers in the first place. While there’s always value in preaching to the choir—that’s why churches hold services every Sunday—the combined weight of 200 pro-press editorials is not likely to move the opinion needle or deter Trump from defaming and threatening reporters.

ohmymimi · 15/08/2018 09:10

'Colyer’s lawyers tell Johnson County to count 153 discarded ballots in tight gov race.
Kobach is Republican nominee for Kansas governor after Colyer concedes.'
amp.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/election/article216675985.html?__twitter_impression=true

Gumpendorf · 15/08/2018 09:18

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/manafort-trial-exposes-corrupt-workings-of-trump-transition-1299158083863

An interesting segment on the implications of the latest day in Manafort trial. Entertaining as always, which helps because I'm worried this will not end well. Confused

ohmymimi · 15/08/2018 09:20

This (but his response will be much less articulate, more brutal, and he will beat the press with that stick for way more than a month):
But this Globe-sponsored coordinated editorial response is sure to backfire: It will provide Trump with the circumstantial evidence of the existence of a national press cabal that has been convened solely to opposes him. When the editorials roll off the press on Thursday, all singing from the same script, Trump will reap enough fresh material to whale on the media for at least a month. His forthcoming speeches almost write themselves: By colluding against me, the fake media proved once and for all, that they are in cahoots with the Democrats and have declared themselves to be my true political opposition

ohmymimi · 15/08/2018 09:23

I haven't listened to RM yet, Gump, but I have the same sense of unease as you.

ohmymimi · 15/08/2018 09:33

miscommunication Claws Hmm
(And the 'correction' carefully obfuscated the facts by just citing the 'time frame' difference.)

Hours after the briefing, after Bloomberg News pointed out the inaccuracy, the White House Council of Economic Advisers apologized for the figure. It posted a tweet citing a "miscommunication" to Sanders.

ohmymimi · 15/08/2018 10:01

Hush money:
Not sure if this point has been made elsewhere, but, having OMN in the WH in a highly paid 'post' makes sense in Oafworld. OMN was hustled by the Oaf into one of the highest paying 'job's in the WH, in a loosely defined role, against considerable resistance. She and the Oaf had a long history, and he knows exactly what her character is, and he knows what she knows about what he has said and done on the set of 'The Apprentice', for example. And, they tried to buy her off again, after Kelly dumped her, with that $15,000 pm 'job' at the Trump PAC

Dollyrama · 15/08/2018 10:57

Jeez it’s hard to keep up with you guys, such a fast moving thread!!

I think that’s spot on analysis about OMN Mimi. Doesn’t it make you weep that you part of the background and evidence to 45’s strategy includes The Apprentice?!

Also agree that saying 45 has “worse” things to say about other people as a defence to him not being racist is quite something from a press secretary Hmm

ohmymimi · 15/08/2018 11:42

'No leaks: Cushy job offers for discarded Trump staffers.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. And, perhaps, your potential leakers closer yet.'

apnews.com/amp/12d43ba6d36444b98f9c607d3101dcf6?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 15/08/2018 11:48

Velociraptor v Indominous rex
Ashley Parker
@AshleyRParker
And now, like in the film series “Jurassic Park” — where the dinosaurs turn on the scientists who helped create them — Manigault Newman has unleashed Trump’s own tricks and tactics on him. My latest w @PhilipRucker.

‘He created Omarosa’: How Trump’s protegee turned his tactics against him
washingtonpost.com
mobile.twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/1029505412196978689

Dollyrama · 15/08/2018 11:52

Brilliant article. Says it all really, that 45’s admiration for her was based on her negative and not positive qualities.

I was still back home in Sacramento in 2004 I remember the controversy over OMN saying another contestant had used the N word about her. My black girlfriends were dismayed that OMN was primetime TV depiction of ‘a strong black woman’, yet wanted to believe that a sister wouldn’t lie about racial abuse like that.

Dollyrama · 15/08/2018 11:53

Talking about the first article you posted Mimi btw, haven’t read the last one yet.

ohmymimi · 15/08/2018 12:05

Sneerah got that rhino hide from her charming papa, but Lieu still gives good burn🔥. Pass the ice pack to Schmuckabee:

Ted Lieu
@tedlieu
Dear @GovMikeHuckabee: Welcome to California, which has now grown to the 5th largest economy in the world.
And according to @usnews, CA is ranked #4 for economy & #11 for healthcare out of 50 states. Arkansas, however, is #40 for economy & #49 for healthcare. Have a nice visit.
Gov. Mike Huckabee
@GovMikeHuckabee
On way to CA for mtgs. Since it’s become a foreign country I have my passport and stashed some plastic straws in lining of suitcase. If caught I will ask for sanctuary status!
mobile.twitter.com/tedlieu/status/1029438783559626752

ohmymimi · 15/08/2018 12:23

Cuomo: No, facts are not in the eye of the beholder
Giuliani: Nowadays they are

That's their game.

David Chalian
@DavidChalian
The end of the @ChrisCuomo and Rudy Giuliani conversation perfectly captures our modern moment:
Giuliani: It’s in the eye of the beholder.
Cuomo: No, facts are not in the eye of the beholder.
Giuliani: Nowadays they are
mobile.twitter.com/DavidChalian/status/1029540726340820997

More from Cuomo/Gargoyliani:

Cuomo Prime Time
@CuomoPrimeTime
Rudy Giuliani: Former FBI Director James Comey is a “crazy liar,” alleged discussion between Trump and Comey about Michael Flynn did not happen (link: cnn.it/2KVqf6d) cnn.it/2KVqf6d

"He's dealing with it as well or better than anybody would in his position" @RudyGiuliani

He knows president’s mind and arguments and is a key advocate for him with mueller and on tv. Closest we can get to testing president on what matters. And one thing that matters is how potus treats people. And the indecency should not be seen as strength. It is not

“I know she’s lying.” Speaking with @ChrisCuomo, President Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani says Omarosa Manigault Newman's unproven allegation that then-candidate Trump knew about the DNC emails before WikiLeaks released them is wrong.

mobile.twitter.com/CuomoPrimeTime/status/1029543736181587969

ohmymimi · 15/08/2018 12:27

Says it all really, that 45’s admiration for her was based on her negative and not positive qualities
It does. Predator's instincts, Dolly

lionheart · 15/08/2018 13:19

Inaugural funds.

www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article216642505.html

'Rick Gates admitted at Paul Manafort's trial to having possibly misused Trump inauguration money to cover personal expenses. But spokespeople for the chairman of President Donald Trump's inauguration aren't willing to talk about it.'

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lionheart · 15/08/2018 13:21

Peter Daou

Verified account

@peterdaou
1h1 hour ago

'CONSIDER THIS:

It would take only TWO Republican senators to bring this Trump train to a screeching halt.

Just TWO patriots to prevent this unmitigated disaster.

And not ONE has the courage or integrity to switch over and vote with Democrats.

What does that tell you?'

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Dollyrama · 15/08/2018 13:39

Preach Peter Daou!!

Ditto Ted Lieu. Have so much love and sorrow for my home state right now.

I have no time for OMN but how can Trump get away with referring to her as “that dog” on Twitter? Especially when one of the accusations is he has no respect for women? The amount he gets away with is astounding.

lionheart · 15/08/2018 13:44

I'll just put this here just because ...

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