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'A Liar should have a good Memory,' Trump thread cont.

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lionheart · 30/07/2018 02:58

Quotation from Quintillian, I believe (unless someone was fibbing about that too).

Old thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3309032-Has-Trump-Turned-Traitor-Trump-thread-continued?watched=1&msgid=79826824#79826824

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PerkingFaintly · 11/08/2018 10:51

US officials hope hackers at Defcon find more voting machine problems
Better now than during the midterm elections.
www.cnet.com/news/us-officials-hope-hackers-at-defcon-find-more-voting-machine-problems/

This year's voter hacking village upped the ante, challenging hackers to disrupt the entire voting process -- not just the machines themselves.

That includes from the moment someone registers to vote to when the election results are posted online. At the village, dozens of hackers were plugged into voting machines used in elections around the country. Many were taken apart, with exposed hardware lying around tables.

One machine, a Diebold TSX model that had been brought in from Stark County, Ohio a battleground state was compromised to show viral reaction GIFs instead of the original voting screen. A hacker who went by "echo2" and declined to give his real name said he put up the GIFs because he was bored.

He had opened up and closed the machine without showing any signs on the outside.

"You can mess with the hardware and no one would even notice," the hacker said.
[...]
At least 70 percent of the machines provided this year are also currently being used in US elections, and Defcon has also invited children and teens to hack election tracking websites.

"The websites are so vulnerable that we couldn't actually give them to the adult hackers, it'd be too easy, they wouldn't find it interesting," Jake Braun, the co-organizer of the hacking village, said. "So we gave it to the children hackers."

PerkingFaintly · 11/08/2018 10:54

Manufacturers of voting machines are so worried their machines are insecure that they... tried to stop people testing them.Shock

Article from earlier this year:

Voting-machine makers are already worried about Defcon
www.engadget.com/2018/01/26/voting-machine-makers-are-already-worried-about-defcon/?guccounter=1

Last year, Defcon's Voting Village made headlines for uncovering massive security issues in America's electronic voting machines. Unsurprisingly, voting-machine makers are working to prevent a repeat performance at this year's show.

According to Voting Village organizers, they're having a tough time getting their hands on machines for white-hat hackers to test at the next Defcon event in Las Vegas (held in August). That's because voting-machine makers are scrambling to get the machines off eBay and keep them out of the hands of the "good guy" hackers.

Village co-organizer Harri Hursti told attendees at the Shmoocon hacking conference this month they were having a hard time preparing for this year's show, in part because voting machine manufacturers sent threatening letters to eBay resellers. The intimidating missives told auctioneers that selling the machines is illegal -- which is false.

Electronic voting-machine manufacturers and anyone with a stake in keeping their flaws secret have oodles of reasons to prevent Defcon's Voting Village from having a repeat performance of last year's (perfectly legal) mass hacking of e-vote boxes.
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Voting-machine makers with anything to hide couldn't have been happy about that. If you remember the headlines after last year's Defcon, the results that came out of the Voting Village were beyond problematic. Shocking, even.

Defcon's hackers breached every single voting machine in the Village. Some in minutes; many in under an hour-and-a-half. E-vote machines were popped by hackers without insider knowledge and by hackers who didn't even specialize in voting machines.

One attendee remarked on Twitter, "Horrifyingly, some were hacked wirelessly (ie no physical access). Many hadn't had OS or basic software patches in over a decade." They added, "Others had been sold off after use, but hadn't been wiped; still had voter data on them. Didn't hear of any with any credible audit trail."

Gumpendorf · 11/08/2018 11:48

I used to think the voting machine tampering in Scandal and the lost/hidden ballot box in The Good Wife were widely OTT storylines. Along with Frank Underwood persuading a governor to order a halt to voting for some reason or other in House of Cards.

I used to think the voting system was sacrosanct and that everyone was signed up to the principles and application of democracy.

I'm beginning to realise that much as Trump has really pushed the corruption and abuse further and faster than anyone could imagine, it's been happening for years and long before he was active in politics.

I'm beginning to think this is the end (hopefully) of a phase in history and that Trump's role is to accelerate, worsen and make it all visible. How do we react when we see what's happening?

And it's not just Trump, the same is happening in the UK where some politicians are taking guidance from Bannon and their lead from the US. I'm also seeing much less resistance here. The media isn't giving it much airtime. Where is the UKs MSNBC and CNN. Who is our equivalent of WaPo and NYT?

I don't really know what I'm saying except I'm worried and hopeful at the same time. Smile

Gumpendorf · 11/08/2018 11:51

And don't get me started on storylines in The Americans or Homeland.... Wink

lionheart · 11/08/2018 11:57

Gum. Smile

I doubt there is anything in the book that could turn off his base, unless perhaps he actually attacked his base (but even then 'fake news.')

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ohmymimi · 11/08/2018 12:42

Marco Rubio, living proof that a man with no spine can stand upright, he never mastered walking in a straight line, though:

'In 2008, Rubio endorsed evangelical favorite Mike Huckabee for president at the end of compassionate conservative George W. Bush’s administration; he then rode a Tea Party wave to the Senate in 2010 and subsequently became the nation’s leading advocate of comprehensive immigration reform after the Republican National Committee and the Republican donor class blamed the 2012 loss on Mitt Romney’s hard-line immigration stance. As the past shows, Rubio’s embrace of the nationalist label in 2018 tells us a lot about where the Republican party is at the moment but not necessarily where it, or he, will be a few years from now.'
www.weeklystandard.com/john-mccormack/rubio-goes-nationalist?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 11/08/2018 13:12

Space pwnd:
freebeacon.com/blog/own-the-libs-on-earth-and-in-space/

ohmymimi · 11/08/2018 14:31

This may have been reported before. I recall the potential for accusations of witness tampering, and trouser steaming, from the Hopester's sortie with the Oaf on AF1, but not the other stuff:

Pinned Tweet
Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson
Assuming Hope Hicks would be paid to return to the Trump campaign, this is Trump and other Trump campaign officials who are under investigation offering money to a young woman who is currently a prospective witness against them in a federal criminal investigation. Process that.
The Hill
@thehill
Trump officials pushing Hope Hicks to join 2020 campaign: report link: hill.cm/o3Nldi1 hill.cm/o3Nldi1

2/ So Trump meets with Hicks both on Air Force One and during two limo rides in Ohio; she has a private conversation with a man she'll be asked to testify against in a federal case and impeachment hearings; we now learn she has a job offer. Does America realize this isn't normal?

3/ So at a time Trump knows Hope Hicks is a witness against him in an ongoing Obstruction investigation—particularly with respect to the false Air Force One statement he dictated and lied about—he offers her a paying job and a chance to rejoin his team. That may well be a crime.

4/ Keep in mind we already know Trump discusses the Russia probe with Hicks—so his job offer to her is part of a course of conduct that sees him commingling a job offer and talk of the case she's a witness in. That's very serious evidence of criminality.

Trump ignored 'bright line' on discussing Russia with Hicks
politico.com

5/ Trump's lawyers said don't discuss Russia with Hope, and he did; they said don't contact her post-resignation, and he did; I'm sure they said, "And for God's sake don't offer her any money!", and now he has. They gave him that advice because they know what constitutes a crime.
www.politico.com/story/2018/03/01/trump-hope-hicks-russia-433280

ohmymimi · 11/08/2018 14:36

Dangerous as the civil war talk is, the vulnerability to tampering of voting machines is more so. Never has 'so easy a child can do it' seemed more chilling.

lionheart · 11/08/2018 14:44

DC.

www.lawfareblog.com/what-realistically-expect-when-youre-expecting-nazis

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mackerella · 11/08/2018 15:22

At the risk of missing something obvious,why does the US use voting machines rather than paper ballots like the UK? I mean, I get that the US has 5 times the population and many, many times the area of the UK, but couldn't you just get proportionately more people to collect ballot boxes, do the count, and so on? (In the UK, many of them are volunteers, anyway.) Or do I just file this under "things I don't understand about the US", along with an elected judiciary and the overt place of religion in public life?

ohmymimi · 11/08/2018 15:23

Sen. Patrick Leahy
@SenatorLeahy
Republicans have circumvented the process that has been used for every #SCOTUS nominee since #Watergate in favor of a partisan one that will allow them to proceed without transparency or accountability to the Senate or the American people.
mobile.twitter.com/SenatorLeahy/status/1028029731424362497

ohmymimi · 11/08/2018 15:25

That was then; another time, another place:
Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
More than 20 years ago, SCOTUS nominee Brett Kavanaugh argued that a president likely would have to testify before a grand jury if subpoenaed to do so, BuzzFeed News reports.
<a class="break-all" href="https://www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/chrisgeidner/trumps-supreme-court-nominee-argued-a-president-likely#click=t.co/6PCzI83998" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/chrisgeidner/trumps-supreme-court-nominee-argued-a-president-likely#click=t.co/6PCzI83998
mobile.twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1028086234046816256

ohmymimi · 11/08/2018 15:28

'Georgia election officials knew system had ‘critical vulnerabilities’ before 2016 vote'
amp.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article216031450.html?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 11/08/2018 15:44

Often wondered that, too, mackerella. I haven't read this article yet, but have a bet with myself that the opportunity to turn a buck has been a factor.
www.livescience.com/56789-weird-history-of-voting-machines.html

Next, the mystery of chip and pin:
www.grahamcluley.com/chip-pin-card-deadline-usa/
qz.com/717876/the-chip-card-transition-in-the-us-has-been-a-disaster/

ohmymimi · 11/08/2018 17:25

'Rep. Chris Collins, fighting prosecution, seeks to end reelection bid'
www.politico.com/story/2018/08/11/chris-collins-reelection-bid-insider-trading-773514

ohmymimi · 11/08/2018 17:34

Working on his golf swing and remote control action:
'Trump pivots to border wall, China and ‘Manafort this, Manafort that’
The president's trip to his Bedminster, N.J., country club was set up as a 'working vacation' ahead of the fall campaign season.'
www.politico.com/story/2018/08/10/trump-vacation-bedminster-manafort-china-border-wall-773388

cozietoesie · 11/08/2018 18:17

Avenatti as a runner in 2020? Wink

ohmymimi · 11/08/2018 18:40

Andy, forget those horny FBI t my hands may be tiny, but they are oh so soft
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-text-massages_us_5b6ed951e4b0530743ca3735

ohmymimi · 11/08/2018 18:44

Posted too soon, courtesy of my cat's bum!
FBI grabbers

Roussette · 11/08/2018 18:50

Your cat is welcome on here mini... any feed back greatly appreciated Grin

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