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'A Liar should have a good Memory,' Trump thread cont.

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lionheart · 30/07/2018 02:58

Quotation from Quintillian, I believe (unless someone was fibbing about that too).

Old thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3309032-Has-Trump-Turned-Traitor-Trump-thread-continued?watched=1&msgid=79826824#79826824

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Gumpendorf · 08/08/2018 10:52

What they did during the 2016 election on behalf of Clinton appalls me.”

Voters in midterms have been warned - return Repugs and the next session will relitigate the 2016 election all over again.

PerkingFaintly · 08/08/2018 10:55

Maddow also highlights something else revealed yesterday in the trial: that Manafort had a contract for $4 million to Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for policy work after the Ukrainian election.

So, not just to get the guy elected, but to develop and implement policies after the election – during the period Yanukovych was turning Ukraine away from Europe and towards Russia.

More about this in an article from April (I clearly haven't been keeping up with this at all!):

Former Trump aide approved 'black ops' to help Ukraine president
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/apr/05/ex-trump-aide-paul-manafort-approved-black-ops-to-help-ukraine-president

Donald Trump’s former campaign manager Paul Manafort authorised a secret media operation on behalf of Ukraine’s former president featuring “black ops”, “placed” articles in the Wall Street Journal and US websites and anonymous briefings against Hillary Clinton.

The project was designed to boost the reputation of Ukraine’s then leader, Viktor Yanukovych. It was part of a multimillion-dollar lobbying effort carried out by Manafort on behalf of Yanukovych’s embattled government, emails and documents reveal.

The strategies included:

• Proposing to rewrite Wikipedia entries to smear a key opponent of the then Ukrainian president.

• Setting up a fake thinktank in Vienna to disseminate viewpoints supporting Yanukovych.

• A social media blitz “aimed at targeted audiences in Europe and the US”.

• Briefing journalists from the rightwing website Breitbart to attack Clinton when she was US secretary of state.

Manafort’s Ukraine strategy anticipated later efforts by the Kremlin and its troll factory to use Twitter and Facebook to discredit Clinton and to help Trump win the 2016 US election. The material seen by the Guardian dates from 2011 to 2013.

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 08/08/2018 13:49

I like his explanations - easy reading for my few brain cells! Grin

THREAD: What did we learn from Day Six of the Manafort trial?
twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1026992737629995010?s=21

ohmymimi · 08/08/2018 13:55

Perking's piece above prompted me to revisit the Trump campaign/Ukraine platform change/ Manafort involvement. It is a struggle to remember everything and keep the 'Richmond's straight. I think the WaPo article was the first to fire off an alert:

'Trump campaign guts GOP’s anti-Russia stance on Ukraine'

'The Trump campaign worked behind the scenes last week to make sure the new Republican platform won’t call for giving weapons to Ukraine to fight Russian and rebel forces, contradicting the view of almost all Republican foreign policy leaders in Washington.

Throughout the campaign, Trump has been dismissive of calls for supporting the Ukraine government as it fights an ongoing Russian-led intervention. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.

Still, Republican delegates at last week’s national security committee platform meeting in Cleveland were surprised when the Trump campaign orchestrated a set of events to make sure that the GOP would not pledge to give Ukraine the weapons it has been asking for from the United States.

Inside the meeting, Diana Denman, a platform committee member from Texas who was a Ted Cruz supporter, proposed a platform amendment that would call for maintaining or increasing sanctions against Russia, increasing aid for Ukraine and “providing lethal defensive weapons” to the Ukrainian military.

“Today, the post-Cold War ideal of a ‘Europe whole and free’ is being severely tested by Russia’s ongoing military aggression in Ukraine,” the amendment read. “The Ukrainian people deserve our admiration and support in their struggle.”

Trump staffers in the room, who are not delegates but are there to oversee the process, intervened. By working with pro-Trump delegates, they were able to get the issue tabled while they devised a method to roll back the language.

On the sideline, Denman tried to persuade the Trump staffers not to change the language, but failed. “I was troubled when they put aside my amendment and then watered it down,” Denman told me. “I said, ‘What is your problem with a country that wants to remain free?’ It seems like a simple thing.”

Finally, Trump staffers wrote an amendment to Denman’s amendment that stripped out the platform’s call for “providing lethal defensive weapons” and replaced it with softer language calling for “appropriate assistance.”

That amendment was voted on and passed. .....
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-campaign-guts-gops-anti-russia-stance-on-ukraine/2016/07/18/98adb3b0-4cf3-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html?utm_term=.ba8390e4e4bb

www.thedailybeast.com/trump-campaign-changed-ukraine-platform-lied-about-it
abcnews.go.com/Politics/timeline-paul-manaforts-role-trump-campaign/story?id=50808957
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/aug/04/did-trump-campaign-soften-platform-language-benefi/
uk.businessinsider.com/trump-russia-campaign-platform-rnc-jd-gordon-2017-9?r=US&IR=T
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-russia-republican-pro-putin-ukraine-stance-rnc-ambassador-kislyak-meeting-a7610621.html
www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2018-07-02/russian-charged-with-trumps-ex-campaign-chief-is-key-figure

ohmymimi · 08/08/2018 14:01

Autocorrect must be obsessed with sausages Grin Not 'Richmond's - storyline ffs

PerkingFaintly · 08/08/2018 14:21

I wondered what erudite reference I was missing... Grin

lionheart · 08/08/2018 14:24

thehill.com/homenews/administration/400847-putin-pressed-trump-for-talks-on-arms-control-report?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

'Politico reported that a leaked Russian document it obtained contains a list of topics for negotiation that a source said Putin brought to his one-on-one meeting with Trump at the summit.

The proposals include cooperation on nuclear arms and weapons limits, two topics that Russia and the U.S. have frequently discussed during diplomatic interactions.

“This is, ‘We want to get out of the dog house and engage with the U. S. on a broad range of security issues,’” the unidentified source told Politico.

Trump's meeting with the Russian president has been shrouded in mystery, with top Trump administration officials admitting they do not know what was discussed. In the weeks after the controversial Helsinki summit, multiple lawmakers called for the only other American in the room, the U.S. interpreter, to testify about what she had heard.

Trump faced intense bipartisan backlash after his joint press conference with Putin after their meeting, during which he downplayed Russian interference in U.S. elections and appeared to cast doubt on the U.S. intelligence community's conclusions. He said he didn't see any reason why Russia "would" have hacked the 2016 election.

Though he partially walked back the comments several days later, insisting he meant to say "wouldn't," lawmakers have continued to express concern over what he might have promised Putin during the meeting.

The proposal obtained by Politico reportedly does not mention cooperation between the two countries in Syria, a topic Putin introduced during the press conference as a starting point for bilateral agreements.

Russia's ambassador to the United States last month said Trump made "important verbal agreements" with Putin during their private conversation, and a Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman told reporters that the Kremlin has already started to implement undefined agreements from the summit.

Top Trump administration officials, including press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders and State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert, have remained vague when answering questions about what Trump and Putin talked about.

Though the White House declined to comment on the document obtained by Politico, National Security Council spokesman Garrett Marquis said Trump and Putin did not exchange written proposals.

“During the historic meeting between President Trump and President Putin, the two leaders discussed a range of subjects, including our nuclear arsenals, which when combined account for roughly 90 percent of all nuclear weapons," Marquis told Politico.

"There were no commitments to undertake any action, beyond agreement that both sides should continue discussions," Marquis said. "The President did not receive any written proposals from President Putin, and the President did not provide any written proposals to President Putin."'

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ohmymimi · 08/08/2018 14:39

Keeping it in the family:
Mike Hayes
@michaelhayes
Here's the indictment for Rep. Chris Collins (R-NY). Feds announced insider trading charges against him and his son's this morning. Collins was an early supporter of Trump's presidential campaign.
mobile.twitter.com/michaelhayes/status/1027184402806333441

ohmymimi · 08/08/2018 14:50

'BUSTED
Chris Collins, Republican Congressman, Charged With Insider Trading'
www.thedailybeast.com/chris-collins-new-york-congressman-charged-with-insider-trading

cozietoesie · 08/08/2018 15:21

The Ohio Special.

Troy Balderson limps to finish line

Roussette · 08/08/2018 15:54

That;s an encouraging article cozie

cozietoesie · 08/08/2018 16:10

I think so. Smile

lionheart · 08/08/2018 16:31

Yes. Smile

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cozietoesie · 08/08/2018 16:51

45......'doesn't do nuance'. Wink

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ohmymimi · 08/08/2018 17:52

'Why Trump’s economy could be downhill from here'
www.politico.com/story/2018/08/01/trump-economy-money-podcast-754590

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ohmymimi · 08/08/2018 19:00

This is 50 posts, one PS and three notes long, but it is interesting;
Seth Abramson
@SethAbramson
(THREAD) There is increasing evidence the June 2016 Trump Tower meeting did produce the Clinton materials Trump was hoping for—just not on the timeframe he wanted. The Michael Flynn-Peter Smith axis points toward a whole summer of Trump collusion. Hope you'll read on and share.
mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1027218966731804672

ohmymimi · 08/08/2018 19:11

'But as the Black Lives Matter movement has drawn widespread attention to anti-black policing and the disproportionate number of African Americans in prison, reports of a bait truck in an impoverished community of color have predictably sparked outcry. The Englewood residents seen in video footage regarded it as another hostile act by law enforcement instead of a bid to cut down on crime. Moreover, the placement of the alleged bait truck near a basketball court filled with kids signaled, to some, a ploy to ensnare vulnerable youth in the criminal justice system rather than career criminals.

“There were a lot of young guys playing basketball,” according to Mckenzie, who said he spotted the bait truck while driving nearby. “Why would they do that in the poorest communities to people who don’t have anything better?”

Mckenzie said that many Englewood residents have nothing to lose, making the temptation of unattended pairs of expensive shoes too great for many to resist. Englewood’s poverty rate is at least 40 percent, by some estimates, and more than 60 percent, according to others. While the community is known as a high-crime area, in 2017 shootings and homicides in the neighborhood dropped by 44 percent and 45 percent, respectively, the Chicago Tribune reported. Car theft also went down.'

ut as the Black Lives Matter movement has drawn widespread attention to anti-black policing and the disproportionate number of African Americans in prison, reports of a bait truck in an impoverished community of color have predictably sparked outcry. The Englewood residents seen in video footage regarded it as another hostile act by law enforcement instead of a bid to cut down on crime. Moreover, the placement of the alleged bait truck near a basketball court filled with kids signaled, to some, a ploy to ensnare vulnerable youth in the criminal justice system rather than career criminals.

www.vox.com/2018/8/7/17661240/video-chicago-police-bait-truck-nike-shoes-christian-louboutins-englewood-black-neighborhood

cozietoesie · 08/08/2018 19:54

First time I've come across 'bait' vehicles. Shock

ohmymimi · 08/08/2018 20:39

No entrapment needed here, greed, grift and graft just come naturally to repugs in office.
Manu Raju
@mkraju
"By lying to the FBI, they compounded their insider trading crime," said US Attorney Geoffrey Berman of Chris Collins and his family, calling it a "criminal coverup"
mobile.twitter.com/mkraju/status/1027225822040649729

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