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To feel terrified after reading the prepping for Brexit threads?

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LittleNapRefuser · 28/07/2018 20:26

I have genuinely cried real tears of fear after reading the threads on prepping for Brexit today. I have a toddler and right now I am terrified of what is to come and their future after all this.

I don't really have anyone to talk to about this in 'real life' because most people I know aren't reading the news or don't seem to care.

Should I be terrified? Should I be scared for my baby's future? Can anyone reassure me or offer me an alternative perspective on all this. I don't want to to put my head in the sand but I feel really afraid.

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rainbowsandsmiles · 29/07/2018 19:27

Bellinisurge- I said you seem sensible, just like stashing which is fair enough. Its not just one person is it though as there's loads of others that really do have issues they need to work on by mass catastrophism if as they're obviously struggling mentally with it all too.

bellinisurge · 29/07/2018 19:28

@LakieLady - during the winter of discontent, I came down to London on a school trip. I saw plenty of piled up uncollected rubbish.
Doesn't mean I think that's going to happen, just that it isn't made up fake history.

HateIsNotGood · 29/07/2018 19:29

I think that the 'low key' prepping that most describe here is a very good thing for those that feel anxious about Brexit and will hopefully mean fewer people involved in the inevitable panic buying.

Panic Buying based on a perception of shortages will actually create shortages even if there wouldn't have been any.

I've been pretty much 'prepped' for decades so I'm not too bothered really about Brexit. That doesn't diminish the fears others might have, each to their own.

bellinisurge · 29/07/2018 19:29

@rainbowsandsmiles and you think taking the piss and sneering will make them not worry? Hmm

AllIHaveToDo · 29/07/2018 19:29

Summer the fuck down Seasaw! I didn't bring JC into the debate, you did. Me being a non-royalist has fuck all to do with JC, I am capable of forming opinions on the monarchy.

You seem to be spouting much vitriol and again nothing of substance. Some people are natural contingency planners, I am a 'planner' by nature. If you don't like it then that's up to you. I for one will be stocking up on a few items over the coming months, nothing extravagant. Calm your tits!

rainbowsandsmiles · 29/07/2018 19:34

Bellinisurge - so anyone can only answer on these threads if they have the right level of Doom?
Shall I start saying things like others like I hope you drown in your own shit that someone said, and what have you done, be afraid, you should all be ashamed!!! Hmm erm, nope. It's mass hysteria all feeding into one another.

GirlsBlouse17 · 29/07/2018 19:35

@rainbowsandsmiles Thank you!

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HateIsNotGood · 29/07/2018 19:37

Ooops - I thought I'd posted on a thread about 'prepping' for Brexit - I see it's just another slanging match.

I bid you Ladies goodnight.

AllIHaveToDo · 29/07/2018 19:38

If you are not patriotic, don’t thank your lucky stars you live in a free fair democratic country you are frankly an idiot

And this makes literally no sense

bellinisurge · 29/07/2018 19:39

@rainbowsandsmiles - it's clearly making some people anxious. Anxious unnecessarily in my view, if a couple of basic steps are taken. If you don't have practical advice to offer, perhaps you could be less snarky and dismissive about how confident you are that this is worry over nothing.
Or not. Fudge the discussion with sneers. Up to you.
I don't set out how I really feel about this situation on here because it's not helpful.

P3onyPenny · 29/07/2018 19:39

But Betty surely if we end up not passporting Euros banks will go to whichever country ends up getting it from us. Macron and Merkel both want it. Are they honestly not a teensy tiny bit worried? Frankly I don’t believe you. That said a few big wigs in the city can move on to Paris or Frankfurt,workers lower down working in offices, tech and call centres won’t be so lucky.

keyboardkate · 29/07/2018 19:40

We will never replicate the assurances from Government here.

Where is it?

So no wonder there is so much crap going on.

Rudderless.

BettyBooHoo · 29/07/2018 19:41

The thing is, if someone has genuine anxiety (untreated) then buying a few extra packets of pasta and loo roll will only allay their anxiety temporarily. It will soon move on to the next Fear, then the next, then the next.

I work with a colleague who has a new Fear each month and she loves to share them. It is fucking annoying and so draining.

rainbowsandsmiles · 29/07/2018 19:43

Awful to accuse a parent of lying Sad sadly doesn't surprise me though, if you refuse to nod along and have a different viewpoint the vile true colours come out Sad Flowers

BettyBooHoo · 29/07/2018 19:44

peony I don't pretend to understand what their jobs entail but they're pretty senior. They really aren't worried which reassured me. If you don't believe me then that's up to you.

bellinisurge · 29/07/2018 19:46

@BettyBooHoo - of course getting a bit of extra pasta in won't fix someone who has anxiety. But if it stops them stressing about food and clogging up the emergency services if there is a blip, then all good. Eventually, I hope they'll seek help for the underlying issue. Pretty bloody certain that anonymous sneering at them doesn't help.

FrancinePefko42 · 29/07/2018 19:47

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KennDodd · 29/07/2018 19:48

So Brexit has gone from promising sunlit uplands not not being as bad as a war.

Anyone want to remind me why we're doing this again?

LakieLady · 29/07/2018 19:50

EU would no longer regulate trade costs, therefore Britain would be able to to set Value Added Tax and other regulations for itself.

The UK can already set the rate of VAT itself, and does so in the budget.

I'm not quite clear on what you mean by "other regulations", but if you're alluding to regulations regarding how products are made, the UK would still have manufacture to standards set down by the EU if it wanted to sell its goods there.

If you're referring to the Working Hours Directive, the UK has a derogation for that; if you're referring to regulations that impose other costs on business, such as maternity/paternity pay, health and safety measures, reasonable adjustments etc, I regard any weakening of those protections to be undesirable and to the disadvantage of employees..

Havanananana · 29/07/2018 19:51

@Rosstac (and one or two others who believe all is well)

I love all these remainers with there crystal ball, they can see into the future, can only see the bad, They have no factual evidence for what they are saying, when the government wisely take precautions they moan

It is perfectly possible to assess what might happen under certain conditions. This is not gazing into a crystal ball; rather it is taking the known variables and analysing what might happen.

It is a fact that if the UK leaves the EU with no deal, then a Hard Brexit will impact on the UK. Primarily regarding trade, as the UK will have no agreements in place with any other countries and there will be a hard border requiring every load to be checked.

It is a fact that the ports that are used for food and other imports from the EU (Dover plus a few smaller ports such as Harwich, along with the Eurotunnel) are currently working at full capacity and are geared to 'arrive and drive' traffic - the lorries arrive and drive on into the UK with a minimum of checks and delays.

It is a fact that if all lorries entering the UK have to have their papers and loads checked, this will greatly reduce the number of lorries that can enter the UK each day. The estimate is that 10,000 - 12,000 lorry-loads a day will be reduced to around 5,000 loads a day or less. There is not the required number of customs officers or infrastructure in place to allow any more to enter. Eurotunnel is not equipped at all to check anything other than a very small number of loads and Dover lacks the physical space to quickly check every lorry that arrives.

So now the analysis:

Assuming that only 5,000 lorries can arrive every day after 29th March, what should they contain? If the government prioritises food and medicines, then there is no capacity left for goods such as car parts and components, meaning that the factories will close and millions of people will go on short-time working or lose their jobs. If they prioritise car parts then there is no capacity for food and medicines. The government's idea that the food wholesalers and retailers should stockpile is a non-starter - there is not the warehouse capacity in the UK to store sufficient food (as they would have told Raab had he cared to ask them). Likewise, factories such as car factories would need to build huge new warehouses to hold just a few weeks worth of parts - again, this is not possible in within the timeframe and would be too expensive anyway; companies would just close and move to the EU.

5,000 food lorries a day will not satisfy the UK's food requirements, so what happens next? Do the supermarkets ration food, and on what basis? Does the government ration food, and if so, how will they register people and put in place a rationing scheme by March? Will people with special diets receive special rations? Does the market ration food - i.e only those who can afford it can buy? Does the black market ration food - only those in the know can buy food?

Whichever way you look at it, the situation after 29th March is not good if there is no Brexit deal. In the circumstances, it is prudent for each person to make up their own minds about whether or not to create their own stockpile while food is still available and affordable.

Helmetbymidnight · 29/07/2018 19:52

P3onyPenny, everyone I know in the city is worried but then they are lower down the pecking order/will find it harder to relocate.

The brexiteers have gone from ‘it’s brilliant, we won, get over it,’ to ‘it’s not a fucking war, we won, you panicking, hysterics’

Anyone can read your early morning mockery of a concerned parent, rainbows and smiles, vile, true colours indeed.

BettyBooHoo · 29/07/2018 19:54

But it won't stop them stressing about food. Their anxiety will just shift to stressing whether they now have enough food stashed, whether they have enough of the right foods etc. And in the process they can cause other people to worry needlessly. Their time would be far more productively spent seeking professional help for their issue.

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frumpety · 29/07/2018 19:55

All the NOBODY KNOWS answers , don't the posters saying this think that somebody should know ?