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To not think i need to sleep train my 5yo

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Larrythecat · 19/07/2018 02:05

I have two children. DS is 3 and has always gone to sleep on his own, very easily. He does not need a cuddly toy and is happy to sleep in the dark. I put him in his cot and either he goes to sleep within minutes or songs to himself until he falls asleep. I don't stay more than a few seconds to draw curtains, kiss him night-night and leave. He's the perfect sleeper.

My DD is 5yo and has never gone to sleep on her own. At the minute I sit on the bed until she falls asleep, she has a night light, two cuddly toys and a glo clock. Instead of reducing the time I spend for bedtime routine, somehow it's getting longer. It can easily take me 30-60minutes between reading with her a book or two (she's a slow reader, as she has just learnt to read this year), and then she might not want to close her eyes and try to sleep, looking at me until her eyes just close up. She cry in hysterics if I leave before she falls asleep, or if I say I'm not staying. Sudden high pitch, red face and really inconsolable cry. If I just sit there with her, all is well. If I leave, I need to wait until she's sleepy and say that I'm going to the bathroom, hoping she falls asleep.

The thing is, I know this is far from ideal, but I think it's temporary and she's only 5. The fact that her younger brother is such a great sleeper does not mean she has to be sleep trained. We are very lucky with the youngest in relation to sleep, but I think it's perfectly normal for the 5yo to need comfort and she will grow out of it. I know that if my DH puts her to bed, she does not cry when he leaves, but he only does it when I'm away or ill. My 5yo also associates the night time routine with "mummy time", because that's probably our only 1:1 in the day and she really likes it, she has told other people out of the blue about her "special time with mummy" and in her head is a big deal. I think she's a bit jealous that the 3yo sleeps in our bedroom (no room) and she sees the bedtime as her special thing. But in comparison it's taking ages and DH thinks we should do something about it. I think we could wait until she's a bit older, 6-7? As I think they are more grown up then and want to be more independent. I don't have the heart to leave her to cry and I also like seeing her falling asleep. But I'm all of a sudden feeling that I should do something and I've started to make it less fun and more boring... But not sure that's right. She does usually sleep through until 7-8am once she's fallen asleep.

Am I kidding myself? Does it improve with time? Should I expect her to fall asleep on her own? Should I just ride it out? Am I making a rod for my own back?

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ObjectionSir · 19/07/2018 02:57

At 5 she shouldn't need so much attention before going to sleep; I say this as a trained professional.

Mumsnet is heavily biased towards not letting children cry and general helicopter parenting however, so you'll likely get a lot of "she's only 5, let her be" etc.

melonscoffer · 19/07/2018 03:05

Your DH thinks you should do something about it.
She doesn't cry when he puts her to bed but he only puts her to bed if you're away or ill.

If he thinks you should do something then tell him he can do something and that is..........put her to bed himself.

MsFrizzle · 19/07/2018 03:07

Can't you carve out some time in the day to spend with her instead of when she's meant to be sleeping?

NorthEndGal · 19/07/2018 03:12

Clearly she craves time with you, so make that time earlier in the day . If she f
Goes to bed fine for her dad but not for you, she is clearly playing you. If you enjoy it, that's your life, but if it eats into your couples time, that could have impacts down the road.

Kiwiinkits · 19/07/2018 03:16

that level of bedtime attention for a five year old is ridiculous. Find a way to give her the attention she is so obviously needing but not at bedtime.

Yes she needs sleep training.

mammmamia · 19/07/2018 03:33

She does NOT need sleep training. My DD was exactly like this and just snapped out of it overnight when she was 6.5.
Some kids are just like this. A lot of her friends were like this as well and people don’t really talk about it. It is much more common than you think.
My DD is also a twin and her twin is just like your DS. Perfect sleeper. It’s just what the individual child needs.
Is she just coming to the end of reception at school? That can be a big factor.
Please do not sleep train her!

SilverBirchTree · 19/07/2018 03:35

I think DD has sleep trained you!

Find a different special 1:1 time and get your DH to do her bedtime. Introduce it to her as an upgrade - ' now you're a big girl, we're going to have special mummy & daughter books and tea every night before daddy takes you to bed.

Jump in the shower or something during her bedtime for the first few nights, be clearly unavailable so she doesn't fret that you are rejecting her.

Good luck

Ameliablue · 19/07/2018 04:02

I stayed with mine mostly until they slept and they did grow out of it between the ages of around 5-7.
I did gradually cut down by saying for instance that I was going out for five minutes and would come back.

smellsofelderberries · 19/07/2018 04:13

If it bothers your DH so much then maybe he can put her to bed a bit more? I think it's sweet that she thinks it's your special time together, and if it doesn't bother you then what's the issue? Maybe you could start limiting it to 30 mins, then your DH can take over and finish bedtime?

Sleep problems are only a problem if they are negatively impacting on the family. It doesn't sounds like you think it is, aside from what you're worried other people might think!

Iwasjustabouttosaythat · 19/07/2018 04:16

She is being very clear with you about what she needs - give it to her. If you withdraw from her when she wants your attention so much is will be incredibly hard on her. It won’t be long until she is more independent and then one day she will be all grown up and you would happily give up your time for an evening cuddle with her.

Maybe try a time limit and she has to lie still and keep her eyes closed after that. She can’t help it if her slow reading is holding things up. Is there any other time in the day to read?

I also think your DH should be doing every second night with her. Why isn’t he doing this already? If the mum time is still really important maybe just a 10 minute game or cuddle with you before she goes to bed.

LaurieMarlow · 19/07/2018 04:41

I wouldn't be putting up with this and would have sleep trained a long time ago.

I agree that she needs 'special' time at another point in the day.

But she's your Dd, so do what you like. If you want to spend an hour a night putting her to bed, knock yourself out.

Sleephead1 · 19/07/2018 06:31

she's only 5 and it's what she needs right now so I think it's fine I also believe it's fairly common fro. what I have heard. i do think the fact she is seeing it as your special one to one time is probably making her try to stay up longer as she is craving some one to one time and also the fact your other child is in your room must be hard for her if everyone in your family bar you is aloud to sleep together it probably will be hard for her to sleep alone. I know some adults who don't enjoy sleeping alone so it seems very normal to me that some children struggle.

Fenellapitstop · 19/07/2018 06:39

I have the same with my 5yo, she adds in getting up in the night and getting into my bed too. She used to sleep through. I just think although it's exhausting she still needs the time so I'll keep going. She will stop when she's ready

Herewegoagain56 · 19/07/2018 06:44

If you are happy about doing it then there is no problem at all.

However if you aren’t happy about it then yes, move your 1:1 time with her to another time of day and she will soon go to sleep easier. Whatever suits you

MrsPreston11 · 19/07/2018 06:45

We sit with our 5 year old until she’s asleep. Always have. But it usually takes 5 minutes max and there’s no tears or anything if I have to leave the room for any reason.

Because it’s such a short time neither DH or I see it as a problem but if it was 30 minutes I’d probably be thinking of ways to help her settle herself.

Fatted · 19/07/2018 06:46

DS1 started acting like this when he went to school. My DC are same ages as yours. I saw it for what it was straight away, wanting more time and attention from me. If your routine is anything like mine, I'm guessing she doesn't get much time alone with you without your younger one there? This really is about making some 1-1 time with her.

If you have to sit there in her room for an hour reading etc, why not try a later bedtime and do all that stuff downstairs. If you can, do something at the weekend with just her, doesn't have to be much, even just going to the supermarket just the two of you.

It's a tough but fun age gap and it's been tough managing the transition into full time school while one's still at home I think. But we're getting there. I personally don't think that sleep training is the answer. You could make it a bit more boring at bed time. But I really think it's elsewhere you can make changes.

Millybingbong · 19/07/2018 06:48

Any chance of moving your two children into a room together. Addresses the jealousy issue and they can keep each other company too

Nottheduchessofcambridge · 19/07/2018 06:51

She’s only 5 yes, but if you don’t start now you’ll still be in this routine when she’s 9, and you’ll be saying, well she’s only 9!
I know someone with a 10 year old and they still have this issue.

LooksBetterWithAFilter · 19/07/2018 06:53

I’m a bit on the fence with this because I’ve been there with two dc and a friend was with one hers and he was at secondary school before he would be left to get to sleep alone.
Ds1 did grow out of it and just started saying goodnight and going to sleep. Ds2 fought it all the way and instead of getting better as he got older it started taking longer and longer to get him to drop off. I eventually did sleep train because it was starting to affect my evenings. Ds2 was like that with everything though he fought it all the way nappies, dummies the lot it was all a fight.
I personally think at 5 this shouldn’t be necessary anymore and I wouldn’t be doing it but if you aren’t bothered then keep doing it. I’d make sure I had some special time elsewhere in the day and start working on the bedtime.

TwoShades1 · 19/07/2018 06:54

I think a good solution would be to have some 1:1 time during the day, when she isn’t meant to be sleeping. Perhaps your DH can do more bedtimes (or majority of them?) I would also consider putting both kids in together. They will keep each other company and should eliminate any jealousy.

KipperTheFrog · 19/07/2018 06:55

DD1 is just turned 4. If she's still like this in a year's time I think I'd cry! Our situation is slightly different in that DD1 & 2 share a room. DD2 is 1 so I sit in their room till she falls asleep then DD1 wants me to wait till she's asleep too. I have done up till now but am trying to phase it out. We are now explaining to DD1 that we need to do other things e.g. Eat our dinner but will check on her in a few minutes.
Can your DC's share a room so your DD isn't the only one on her own?

notsohippychick · 19/07/2018 06:56

I’m wondering if she feels this is the tome she has you to herself? Not judging but it’s very easy to give more time to a toddler during the day.

I’d say try devoting half an hour to playing with her, reading or whatever and she if that helps?

We sleep trained my 5 year old. It didn’t involve leaving him to cry but more therapeutic methods x

CantankerousCamel · 19/07/2018 07:00

Wow. I am So glad that I have not put up with this shit for that amount of time. All my kids are quite happy to go off to bed and enjoy some time to themselves, psychologically you’re teaching your child that someone will be there all the time, constantly, she’s not learning to sit and have a bit of self play or actually develop necessary tools to get herself to sleep.

I really think this is quite damaging and I’m not sure it’s beneficial for the child. Your husband probably wants to see you in the evening rather than you spending 2 hours sorting out the kid.

TheGoldenWolfFleece · 19/07/2018 07:02

Why don't you read a couple of stories with her downstairs before bed so she gets her time with you, then dh puts her to sleep?

Sounds like she's doing it to keep your attention.

MoonriseKingdom · 19/07/2018 07:03

Just a suggestion. It sounds like she is reading just before bed, sorry if I have misinterpreted. Being read to is far more relaxing, especially if you are still learning to read which takes effort. Can she do the reading practice earlier then lie in her bed while you read to her. I have very fond memories of being read to long after I learned to read (was quite an early reader).