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To feel sickened that this man is being referred to in this way (WARNING UPSETTING CONTENT)

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bigoldscaredycat · 18/07/2018 06:21

This man raped a three month old baby boy to the point where the baby needed corrective surgery.

He is now in a women’s prison in Canada where he has beaten up a female inmate.

THIS is where self ID leads. Men like this being incarcerated with women and their crimes being counted as female.

torontosun.com/news/national/feds-deny-paying-for-convicted-pedophiles-implants

www.newwestrecord.ca/dangerous-offender-in-b-c-loses-appeal-for-day-or-full-parole-1.23279132

Go on, Mumsnet, delete me for deliberately misgendering a male baby rapist.

THIS.IS.A.MAN.

Perhaps this story will illustrate why feminists are so up in arms about self ID.

I would love to see even the staunchest anti-women transactivist tell me that this person is a woman and that they belong in a women’s prison.

OP posts:
Amalfimamma · 18/07/2018 23:29

I fully support any person who wishes to reassign their sex. If somebody born male wishes to become female - go for it. If someone who is born female wishes to become male - go for it. Feminists have been allied to trans people for decades. Only in the twisted world of mumsnet - does this now equate to being a baby rapist.

What threads are you reading on mn? 🙄

Neededastealthname · 18/07/2018 23:33

ToetoToe, Lol...? I am not about to get into a slagging match on a thread about a child being raped, there is no fucking “lol” in this situation. You are intentionally missing my point so you can be a keyboard warrior and it’s not something I am going to engage with on this subject, I would be ashamed of myself if I did.

TheBiologicalWoman · 18/07/2018 23:33

what really matters is that his vagina is just a knock off of yours.

Nope. What matters is a man rapes a baby. A man. Such violent and depraved predators should not be allowed access to women and child spaces, including female prisons.

Also, you talk of inflamatory comments while using the loaded term 'transphobic.'

Amalfimamma · 18/07/2018 23:34

Hasn't he had proper justice - He's in jail and been refused parole, hasn't he?
Has had parole refused at least 5 times

Amalfimamma · 18/07/2018 23:37

Storm, boo, and all the others who are defending this poor, courageous woman, please do read who about you are defending.

Crown wants Flesh Eating Youth Locked Up

June 14, 1999
^QUESNEL, B.C. (CP) -- A 17-year-old who raped a baby and mutilated himself
by eating his own flesh should be locked up indefinitely and given proper
treatment, a psychiatrist testified.
Court heard a disturbing day of testimony Monday as part of a Crown
application to have Adam Laboucan declared a dangerous offender despite his
youth.
Dr. Ian Postnikoff, a forensic psychiatrist who examined Laboucan,
testified even the youth himself believes he is a danger to the public.
"He said he was not planning a life of crime, but he felt he had no way to
control the flood of violent, murderous fantasies," Postnikoff said in B.C.
Supreme Court.
"While in custody, he would turn them against himself, but this high level
of self-mutilation, almost self-cannibalization, could be turned against
other, weaker individuals, with possibly fatal consequences."
The CBC reported that clinical psychologist Dr. Steve Sigmond testified
that when he examined Laboucan in 1997, the youth admitted drowning a
three-year-old boy in Quesnel in 1993. Because Laboucan was 11 at the time
of the offence, he could not be charged.
Postnikoff described how he met with Laboucan several times at the Youth
Containment Centre in Prince George following Laboucan's conviction in 1997
on sexual assault charges.
While in custody, Laboucan had seriously mutilated himself, chewing on his
own wrists on at least two occasions.
"He said that biting himself tended to ease the anger and frustration,"
Postnikoff testified.
"In one instance, he chewed on his arm for 30 minutes, ingesting fat and
muscle tissue."
Laboucan was convicted of sexually assaulting a three-month-old while he
was babysitting the boy in 1997 this Interior community.
The youth has been under assessment for the past two years and his sentence
will depend on the outcome of the dangerous offender application.
The child was so badly injured, he had to be flown to Vancouver for
reconstructive surgery.
Laboucan was 15 at the time of the offence. His case was raised to adult
court after a hearing.
Court heard the youth did not feel he had done anything wrong. Laboucan
himself was sexually abused when he was three, court heard
Postnikoff testified the youth needs intensive treatment.
"With the history and severity of the offences of Mr. Laboucan, it's
difficult to say how long his treatment would last," he said.
"He's not a regular sexual offender. I would say it would be a very long
time, possibly years. I would be very, very concerned to hear that Laboucan
would be released into the community in the near future."
Dr. Dierdre Ryan testified she examined Laboucan at B.C. Children's
Hospital in Vancouver in 1993 after the youth had been sent there for a
psychiatric assessment.
He had been linked to the 1993 drowning of a three-year-old boy in Quesnel.
Laboucan was not charged and the drowning was declared accidental.
Sigmond testified he assessed Laboucan in 1997 as part of the application
to raise the then-15-year-old to adult court on the sexual assault charge.
He said the teen demonstrated marginal intelligence, a lack of remorse and
a social personality disorder.
"His IQ fell between the fourth and seventh percentiles, which means
between 96 and 97 per cent would do better than him," he said.
"He is also markedly socially immature, with a very low capacity to
comprehend social consequences and the seriousness of his behaviour."
He noted that Laboucan had described having sexual fantasies about children
under the age of three and that he had a background of sexually intrusive
behaviours at school. No charges were laid.
The hearing continues today before Justice Victor Curtis^

And feel some shame

Storminamug · 18/07/2018 23:42

Where have I suggested I am defending this person?!

I am arguing that actually being transgender does not mean some species.

So yes this child rapists / molesters should be in prison with other child rapists / molesters. Now as it is appparently only men and transwomen who commit violent and sexual offences - then bring female and male prison categories in line and you will have female prisons with a wing just for transwomen ... apparently.

Neededastealthname · 18/07/2018 23:43

TellsEveryOneRealFacts, the terminology, yeah that’s what’s important here.

TheBiologicalWoman, your comment is in complete opposition to your user name. Can’t you see that that user name alone would get you labelled has transphobic and your opinions would then be written off as such? I am not saying you are but when you are arguing biology you aren’t arguing measures that need to be put in place to protect women from trans men being put into their prisons, I know that the FACT that they weren’t born women is supposed to be that argument but it’s been widely classed as nothing more than transphobic.

Voice0fReason · 18/07/2018 23:46

Rapists are men. They all belong in male prisons.

Storminamug · 18/07/2018 23:46

*subspecies.

No where have I defended this person's actions.

But does that mean that transpeople should go through years of reassignment to be told that they are 'not women, they don't have a vagina - they just have a hole'.

How is that ok?!

Storminamug · 18/07/2018 23:48

And shoplifting transwomen? They belong in male prisons?

WickedLazy · 18/07/2018 23:55

In my eyes, this murderer and rapist is a castrated male eunich, with an open wound that acts as a means to have sexual intercourse, (not a vagina). He should be in a male prison or a male psychiatric ward of some sort, and recieving pyschological help from a male perspective? How can they explore his life's history, without taking about the fact he lived as a male for much of it?

You could argue women have and will commit these crimes. But if they could do with no penis, this man is still a threat, despite his lack of penis? What are his testosterone levels (known to cause aggression in men) like? Do female hormones have to be topped up? Is this being done?

WickedLazy · 18/07/2018 23:55

*talking

Amalfimamma · 18/07/2018 23:55

Instead of deflecting read again, and again, and again. U til you understand that a child was raped by a male and that male has no place near women.

The child was so badly injured, he had to be flown to Vancouver for reconstructive surgery. Laboucan was 15 at the time of the offence. His case was raised to adult court after a hearing

Court heard the youth did not feel he had done anything wrong

He noted that Laboucan had described having sexual fantasies about children under the age of three and that he had a background of sexually intrusive behaviours at school.

At 11 he murdered a year old, at 5 he raped a 3 month old, he should not be allowed near women or children and as a mother I find it disgusting that anyone is defending his feelz over the rape of one baby and the murder of another.

Give yourselves the biggest fucking wobble ever

WickedLazy · 18/07/2018 23:56

Do *it Blush

Walkingdeadfangirl · 18/07/2018 23:56

Despite a few rational posters, I have remembered why I dont post on trans rights threads. Its impossible to have a rational conversation to try and explore what it all means. So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish.

theredjellybean · 18/07/2018 23:57

I never once defended this person
And clearly yrs of study and my greys anatomy book is wrong... Having labia and a clitorus and a vagina are not female anatomy

Amalfimamma · 18/07/2018 23:59

He was transferred to a female psychiatric ward in 2009 when, after prosituting himself with numerous male inmates and marrying one, he decided he wanted a divorce and was a woman.

He got srs in 2018.

His November 2017 parole was decided because of a violent attack on a female inmate.

Storminamug · 18/07/2018 23:59

Amal - I am not deflecting. I am not defending.

Amalfimamma · 19/07/2018 00:00

@WickedLazy

AjasLipstick · 19/07/2018 00:02

If you've got a penis, you're a man.

I won't dispute that some people born as men feel more like they'd be happier as a woman.

But until they have surgery, they're MEN. MEN. MEN.

Cut your cock off and live as a woman and then I'll call you she.

ChiefClerkDrumknott · 19/07/2018 00:05

But does that mean that transpeople should go through years of reassignment to be told that they are 'not women, they don't have a vagina - they just have a hole'.

They don’t have a vagina that leads to female organs and opens up to a vulva. They have a surgically constructed hole that has to be kept open through dilation. They are not women. It is cruel to pretend a female vagina and a surgically constructed neovagina are the same thing.

And shoplifting transwomen? They belong in male prisons?

Yes, because they’re male, not female

Neededastealthname · 19/07/2018 00:05

What would a trans man say if you stated that they shouldn’t go to a female prison because they weren’t born female, they would shout “transphobic” and it would work because sadly we live in a world where protecting a persons self identification matters more than a persons physical well-being, what if women came at it from a different angle, we don’t want trans men in women’s prisons because of the risk of violence from those who seek to misuse these laws?

TheBiologicalWoman · 19/07/2018 00:07

Neededastealthname. You seem to have issue with a couple of user names today and are freely banding around the T word in every post yet assert that this thread should be about the key story. So stop railroading it please!

If you want a sensible debate then
What measures do you see need to be put in place other than those relating to biology?

Amalfimamma · 19/07/2018 00:09

What would a trans man say if you stated that they shouldn’t go to a female prison because they weren’t born female,
😐

Transmen are female. Just as trans women are male

TheBiologicalWoman · 19/07/2018 00:11

We cross posted by the way.

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