To feel sickened that this man is being referred to in this way (WARNING UPSETTING CONTENT)

[bigoldscaredycat]

This man raped a three month old baby boy to the point where the baby needed corrective surgery.

He is now in a women’s prison in Canada where he has beaten up a female inmate.

THIS is where self ID leads. Men like this being incarcerated with women and their crimes being counted as female.

torontosun.com/news/national/feds-deny-paying-for-convicted-pedophiles-implants

www.newwestrecord.ca/dangerous-offender-in-b-c-loses-appeal-for-day-or-full-parole-1.23279132

Go on, Mumsnet, delete me for deliberately misgendering a male baby rapist.

THIS.IS.A.MAN.

Perhaps this story will illustrate why feminists are so up in arms about self ID.

I would love to see even the staunchest anti-women transactivist tell me that this person is a woman and that they belong in a women’s prison.

You are totally twisting the argument, Storm.

Of course everyone thinks it is important that a convicted rapist should be punished for his actions. Him being punished for his actions would, in my opinion, be appropriately dealt with by him being imprisoned in a man's prison.

Where you and I differ in our opinions is that you appear to believe that women in prison should have their punishment for their much lesser offences compounded by having to share space with and run the risk of being assaulted by (and in at least one case, actually be assaulted by) this evil fucker.

You are hiding your total contempt for women's rights behind a facade of pretending to be concerned about the original victim, while claiming that the rest of us don't care about that victim.

That is so far beyond fucking offensive I don't know how you sleep at night.

I'm not going to engage with you any further because I think your moral compass is so badly broken that nothing will fix it. However, I'm sure any lurkers on the thread will have read your contributions and formed their own conclusions.

This person and issue is not to be conflated with all trans people. Clearly someone like this is a beast. I would be careful not to generalise or have a go at trans people because of instances like this, or because of radical internet TRA who are in many cases, I am convinced, not trans at all but men gleefully deconstructing intersectional feminism.

What it does demonstrate, however, is that again this thing we have been REPEATEDLY told is a wild fantastic scare story - ie a sex predator angling at getting access to women in places they are supposed to be safe from men, not only can happen but is happening. This happening even once is enough to be unacceptable.

So essentially your saying a female can only be created pre-birth? Even when its still an embryo it couldn't be altered to become the opposite sex?

As far as I know this is correct. I would be very interested to see anything to contradict it.

If somebody born male wishes to become female - go for it.

They can't. They can create a body that's similar, on the surface, but a neovagina will never be the same as a biological one.

Some of you are just as abhorrent and no better than his actions

Last time I checked I'd never raped a baby almost to death. So I do consider my view that this is a man, and will always be a man, better than that.

Surely, even if you think you can change sex, you must see this person was all male when this abhorent crime was committed?

Whats wrong with all prisons being unisex?

No one with a vagina would ever ask this question. Just wouldn't. It makes me feel physically ill to think of a woman being put in a men's prison. When you consider that most women are in prison in for non-violent crimes, to sit them next to rapists and paedophiles. You'd have to be fucking evil to want that.

I am not trans exclusive. I 100% do not want transmen to be put in male prisons, I want them with women and in fact, I'm pretty sure that I haven't heard any transmen campaigning for TM to go in to men's prisons, interestingly.

Why would anyone in their right minds, think that unisex prisons would be a good idea? What sort of person contemplates locking women who are vulnerable, in with violent men?

Just...wow.

I am not trans exclusive. I 100% do not want transmen to be put in male prisons, I want them with women and in fact, I'm pretty sure that I haven't heard any transmen campaigning for TM to go in to men's prisons, interestingly.

It is interesting, isn't it? Almost as if transmen would be vunerable in a male prison due to biology and they know it...or that the lifelong stamp of male entitlement doesn't apply to them...

you're missing what's important here.

Er no, I think the majority of posters - especially TellsEveryone - gets the point completely.

Fucking hell, this thread is dark.

Women, who call the MAN who raped a 3 month old baby a MAN, are as bad as him?

Stop the fucking world I want to get the fuck off.

What's worse do you think?

That he is saying we are as terrible as rapists.

Or that he is saying rape is only as bad as online disagreement?

TellsEveryOneRealFacts, You are so over-zealous in your “not a real woman” tirade that you are not hearing me. I have no where at any point said that I believe a trans man is a 100% biological Mother Nature approved woman so you can stop pushing that particular point, seemingly your only point and that is where I get frustrated, why is the emphasis not on the the dangers of treating them like women instead of just “they’re not really real actual women like me because I have a vagina”.

My whole point is that so many posters on this thread have said “they’re not real women” without the follow up of “so treating them as such is dangerous because...” it comes across as transphobic, it gives extreme trans activists fuel for the fire.

TellsEveryOneRealFacts, You are so over-zealous in your “not a real woman” tirade that you are not hearing me. I have no where at any point said that I believe a trans man is a 100% biological Mother Nature approved woman so you can stop pushing that particular point, seemingly your only point and that is where I get frustrated, why is the emphasis not on the the dangers of treating them like women instead of just “they’re not really real actual women like me because I have a vagina”.

Erm.. a Trans man is most definitely 100% biological mother nature approved woman.

Perhaps go away, learn some terminology and check back in when you have an inkling of what you are saying.

If many posters have said the same thing, is there a particular reason why you are singling out one of them?

It would be really weird for any TRA to get 'fuel' on a thread about a child rapist who assaulted a female prisoner.

seemingly your only point and that is where I get frustrated, why is the emphasis not on the the dangers of treating them like women

It is. Are we reading the same thread?

Putting him in a women's prison, calling him 'she' and 'a woman' = treating him like a woman.

Sheesh.

Do I think that men that fully transition to female are women? Yes, I do. Do I think that women who fully transition to men are male? Yes, I do.

Does this make me a sympathiser to transgender people who commit violent or sexual crimes? Hell no.

TheBiologicalWoman, nice inflammatory you have there. I’m sorry I thought the man taking advantage of transphobia/transextremeism after raping a child was what was important but no you’re right what really matters is that his vagina is just a knock off of yours.

'That biological woman' being described as an inflammatory nickname shows just how far down the rabbit hole some people have travelled.

ToetoToe, I have in no way said he should be in a women’s prison, I haven’t said that any trans man should be in a female prison because I don’t believe they should. Try reading my comments again with a slightly less narrow mindset.

By a combination of gender identification and gender reassignment surgery.

You do know that there is such a thing as inter-sex too?

ToetoToe, you are so incredibly belligerent about the topic that you can’t even see I have in no way in any post suggested that trans men are real women, I’m just not clouding real issues with semantics.

ToetoToe, you are so incredibly belligerent about the topic that you can’t even see I have in no way in any post suggested that trans men are real women, I’m just not clouding real issues with semantics.

Lol..

Trans men ARE real women.

Needed - it's you that are accusing all and sundry of being transphobic, and accusing a poster of having an inflammatory nickname.So I think we can all see who is being belligerent.

I believe that as you say - some people have battled their whole lives because they believe they have been born into the wrong body - and they have gender reassignment surgery, then yes they should have equal rights.