To feel sickened that this man is being referred to in this way (WARNING UPSETTING CONTENT)

[bigoldscaredycat]

This man raped a three month old baby boy to the point where the baby needed corrective surgery.

He is now in a women’s prison in Canada where he has beaten up a female inmate.

THIS is where self ID leads. Men like this being incarcerated with women and their crimes being counted as female.

torontosun.com/news/national/feds-deny-paying-for-convicted-pedophiles-implants

www.newwestrecord.ca/dangerous-offender-in-b-c-loses-appeal-for-day-or-full-parole-1.23279132

Go on, Mumsnet, delete me for deliberately misgendering a male baby rapist.

THIS.IS.A.MAN.

Perhaps this story will illustrate why feminists are so up in arms about self ID.

I would love to see even the staunchest anti-women transactivist tell me that this person is a woman and that they belong in a women’s prison.

It could be a high security prison with other dangerous and violent women

So are we cherrypicking which women its ok to lock up with violent rapists then?

Supposing a young female relative of yours went to prison for something minor. If she was locked up with a transwoman who had committed sexual assault, would you say to her "its ok honey, transwomen are women, ill sure you'll be fine".

There are so few dangerous and violent women offenders there isn't actually a prison for them.

www.womeninprison.org.uk/research/key-facts.php

''The Prison Reform Trust has long called for a reduction in women’s imprisonment and a step change in how the criminal justice system responds to women.''
www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/Portals/0/Documents/Women/why%20women_final.pdf

So you're not going to ellaborate on your umm... interesting understanding of biology for me or Babel then?

No one has said people aren’t ‘allowed’ to be transgender. Of course they are allowed. Do what you like to your own body, live your life the way you want.

But when living your life the way you want has to include gaslighting the entire world into believing that male can equal female just one someone’s say so, that a surgically created hole is the same as the vagina, the birth canal, that to not respect a person’s preferred pronoun is almost as offensive as raping a baby, that we should deny decades, centuries of empirical evidence showing males offend in a very different way to females to appease those who want to wear a dress when male....that’s when people say no, I won’t accept this.

Men are not women and women are not non-men. Even to say that surgery can create a vagina is to say that.

People are allowed to be transgender - just in the privacy of their own homes and they most not assume they have equal rights with other members of society. Again, same story - different sub section of society.

Walkingdead

"In this case I think the best people to make the call is the judge/prison service who know all the details and I tend to think this person is kept in a secure wing and is not in the main circulation with other violent women in the facility."

Did you read this case today? Metro link

Where a male transgender person was transferred to a women's prison and committed sexual assaults on four women within days of arriving there?

Do you think that the prison authorities were correct to transfer this person to a women's prison?

Do you think prison authorities always get it right?

In this case I think the best people to make the call is the judge/prison service who know all the details and I tend to think this person is kept in a secure wing and is not in the main circulation with other violent women in the facility.

There arent enough separate spaces in the female prison estate for this to happen.

Transmen don’t request being transferred to male estate because they’d be impossible to protect, regardless of surgery. They’d be incredibly vulnerable. I dont think there are any transmen in Male jails?

What I think is interesting is that people always point out that there are evil women around, we know that, everyone knows that, but why the need to point out that women are evil and nasty and make them out to be just as dangerous as men? That's not what this about! There are evil women, but they are rarer. Why is that not allowed to be said? Why does that fact need to silenced, changed or challenged? Who benefits from doing that?

There are female serial killers, there are, not as many as men, but they do exist. In most cases female serial killers do not act alone, they act under the manipulation and abuse of a male partner. So look at just female serial killers that act alone, you have even less. Now what about serial killers that act alone, are female and also sexual predators? There is ONE case, ONE!! She's so rare, she's unique.

That's not an attack on men, that's just a fact that does highlight a massive fucking difference between men and women. It exists, it can only erased by changing male sexual predators into women. Who will benefit from doing that? Sexual predators is who, because women often receive more lenient and shorter prison sentences.

Way to go, let's make women out to be more evil and nasty than they are so evil men can get an easier ride, how progressive, I can't wait!!

BeyondRadicalisationPortal No I am not going to elaborate, its past wine o'clock. I think the idea was quite understandable despite the mangled science terms (mostly cut and paste) and if it wasn't then I cant be arsed rebooting my non existing science degree. But go ahead and use your superior IQ to put people down if it makes you feel better.

I will, cheers

@Walkingdeadfangirl

That response just goes to show you've got fuck all to back up your point with.

I've also been drinking btw, so that's no excuse for being unintelligible...

Also, when people are disputing Latin grammar on a thread, I don't go wading in with Wikipedia because it's something I know fuck all about. Might be useful to remember that.

I think the idea was quite understandable despite the mangled science terms (mostly cut and paste

Cut and paste from where, if I may ask? There seem to be some blogs/sites where various pseudoscience is pushed...

Anyway no, it wouldn’t work. If you magically switched out one X for a Y you wouldn’t get a male or vice versa. The framework of the organism is built. You’d need to rewind time to the moment of conception and sub a Y in - once you’re past conception, sex is set.

Sausagebap, way to completely miss and also highlight my point.

To every poster that has chosen to make this thread about the trans row instead of that poor baby, you are disgusting.

Nobody should give a fucking toss if "they smell different" or their chromosomes aren't the same or or it's really a fistula not a vagina ffs! I don't get you people I really don't!

Are there currently any statistics for men who truly transitioned (not bullshit like the sick fuck in this thread to get an easy ride), what are the rape/violence statistics for true, real, genuine transexuals who aren't using it for depraved reasons?

Men, who let's be quite honest would never have transitioned have been doing so to evade proper justice, gain access to vulnerable women and you're all hung up on whether it's a real vagina, again I reiterate - you people are disgusting!

The trans community is being exploited and used as a scapegoat.

Popchyk The sexual assault where things like touching an arm or making verbal suggestions and the consequences were that the prisoner was sent straight to a male prison. I think that sounds reasonable.

Of course mistakes are made, it would be easier if we just used capital punishment. But we dont because mistakes are made, we are human, we do the best we can.

Are there currently any statistics for men who truly transitioned (not bullshit like the sick fuck in this thread to get an easy ride), what are the rape/violence statistics for true, real, genuine transexuals who aren't using it for depraved reasons?

You've just perfectly highlighted the problem with self id. These days, suggesting that there's any difference between someone who crossdresses occasionally and someone who has had full reassignment surgery is very transphobic.

the hormone treatment of transitioning changes the body so it does not have greater strength.
She has fully transitioned so it would be reasonable to assume she is taking hormones and thus her muscle mass would be inline with any other woman.
Both of the above are disproved by Laurel Hubbard, who met the hormonal requirements to compete as a woman but benefited from a lifetime of strength training as a man.

Also, with regards to neovaginas, my understanding is that dilation schedules are fairly brutal and can take hours a day with different sized dilators. Failure to keep up the schedule causes hair growth inside the neovagina, and atrophy of the neovagina itself. How was the offender able to commit to this amount of aftercare in a prison? How did the offender convince a doctor the schedule would be adhered to? I am doubtful as to whether a full SRS procedure was carried out.

Are there currently any statistics for men who truly transitioned (not bullshit like the sick fuck in this thread to get an easy ride), what are the rape/violence statistics for true, real, genuine transexuals who aren't using it for depraved reasons?

How are you going to tell the difference?

Bowlofbabelfish I was just cutting a pasting words from previous posters. Thank you for the answer, that does shed some light on it.

So essentially your saying a female can only be created pre-birth? Even when its still an embryo it couldn't be altered to become the opposite sex?

For those defending moving transwoman rapists into women's prisons, can you say off the top of your head what percentage of incarcerated violent offenders are men?

50%? 75%? 80%? 90%? 98%?

Sex offenders - same question. Do you know what the actual percentages are?

How many specialist prisons housing solely male sex offenders are there? How many specialist prisons are there housing solely female sex offenders?

Walkindead,

You are minimising those sexual assaults. Of course.

And you think the right course of events is to move male sexual and violent offenders to women's prisons and then move them back AFTER they have sexually assaulted female prisoners.

And sex of babies is determined at conception.

Just for your further information.

its interesting that people always bring up Hindley to prove women can be evil.

1, it happened decades and decades ago, so just shows how damn rare it actually is that we still use this example

1. most women who commit these sort of crimes, do it under the direct influence of a man who has manipulated and groomed them. It is still male violence

Well, technically whether a spermatozoa carries a single X or Y is determined in meiosis ii during spermatogenesis... iirc Babel? Few years since cell bio...!

And you think the right course of events is to move male sexual and violent offenders to women's prisons and then move them back AFTER they have sexually assaulted female prisoners
No I am NOT, I am saying the right course of action should be decided by the individuals involved on a case by case basis. Not by an angry mob who are rightly incensed at a sick person who has raped a baby.