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Has Trump Turned Traitor? Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 17/07/2018 11:24

The Trump-Putin Summit in Helsinki, coming so soon after Trump’s ally-crumbling display in Britain and at the EU, is still sinking in. Let’s just say: he’s in all kinds of shit. All the kompromat.

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TheClaws · 28/07/2018 02:06

Across Flowers hope all is well. Fires move terrifyingly fast and on their own terms. We live in a fire-prone area, and our land backs onto farmland, so I’m always on high alert then because we’d only have minutes really - if that - to evacuate should a fire break out. Scary to think about.

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PerkingFaintly · 28/07/2018 06:13

HHS official who spread Pizzagate conspiracy theory out at agency
thehill.com/homenews/administration/399315-hhs-employee-who-spread-pizzagate-conspiracy-theory-resigns

A Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) official who in 2016 used social media to spread the "Pizzagate" conspiracy theory is reportedly out at the agency.

Ximena Barreto-Rice, one of President Trump's political appointees, was escorted from HHS headquarters in Washington, D.C., on Friday, Politico reported.
[...]
An individual with knowledge of the situation told Politico that Barreto-Rice resigned.

The Trump appointee joined HHS's communications staff last December. She was reassigned this spring to a different division within the agency after social media posts emerged from her accounts claiming that 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton was involved in a child sex ring run out of a D.C. pizzeria.

Other conspiracy theories shared by Barreto-Rice in 2016 included attempts to link Clinton to the unsolved murder of Seth Rich, an aide to the Democratic National Committee (DNC).

Barreto-Rice expressed a general disdain for Democratic politicians in her posts, including one that claimed “our forefathers would have hung" former President Obama and Clinton for treason, and claimed that Islam was a “f---ing cult, not a religion.”

ohmymimi · 28/07/2018 07:36

Jonathan Lemire
@JonLemire
"Trump has vented angrily to aides about what he considers disrespectful behavior and impertinent questions from reporters in the Oval Office and in other venues. He has also asked that retaliatory action be taken against them"
<a class="break-all" href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/venting-about-press-trump-has-repeatedly-sought-to-ban-reporters-over-questions/2018/07/27/0e73a068-91a9-11e8-8322-b5482bf5e0f5_story.html#click=t.co/pTdF8UF1Lm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/venting-about-press-trump-has-repeatedly-sought-to-ban-reporters-over-questions/2018/07/27/0e73a068-91a9-11e8-8322-b5482bf5e0f5_story.html#click=t.co/pTdF8UF1Lm
mobile.twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1022954823698841600

ohmymimi · 28/07/2018 07:41

He did not take questions from reporters
How long can he keep this up? Huff or strategy?
@jeffzeleny
President Trump is leaving for a weekend at his golf retreat in New Jersey. He did not take questions from reporters on the south lawn of the White House as he boarded Marine One.
mobile.twitter.com/jeffzeleny/status/1022934508193173505

ohmymimi · 28/07/2018 07:51

It's the economy, stupid.
It's the nightmare, stupified.

'How Trump Won Re-election in 2020'
A sneak peek at the Times’s news analysis from Nov. 4, 2020.

Bret Stephens
By Bret Stephens
Opinion Columnist

July 2

In the end, a bitterly fought election came down to the old political aphorism, popularized during Bill Clinton’s successful 1992 run against George H.W. Bush: “It’s the economy, stupid.” This time, however, it was the Republican incumbent, not his Democratic challenger, who benefited from that truism.

Donald J. Trump has been decisively re-elected as president of the United States, winning every state he carried in 2016 and adding Nevada, even as he once again failed, albeit narrowly, to gain a majority of the popular vote. Extraordinary turnout in California, New York, Illinois and other Democratic bastions could not compensate for the president’s abiding popularity in the states that still decide who gets to live in the White House: Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida.

Yet, unlike 2016, last night’s outcome came neither as a political upset nor as a global shock. Mr. Trump and Vice President Mike Pence have consistently polled ahead of Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and her running mate, Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio, since July. The New York Times correctly predicted the outcome of the race in every state, another marked change from 2016.

In exit poll interviews, Mr. Trump’s supporters frequently cited the state of the economy to explain their vote. “What part of Dow 30,000 do the liberals not understand?” Kevin O’Reilly of Manchester, N.H., told The Times.

Senators Warren and Brown never seemed to find a compelling answer to that question, despite an economy that continues to struggle with painfully slow wage growth, spiraling budget deficits and multiplying trade wars that have hurt businesses as diverse as Ohio soybean farmers and California chipmakers.

Yet both Democrats are also skeptics of trade agreements such as Nafta, which served to mute their differences with the president. And their signature proposals — Medicare for all and free college tuition for most American families — would have been expensive and would require tax increases on families making more than $200,000. Mr. Trump and other Republicans charged they would “bankrupt you and bankrupt the country.”

Meanwhile, the U.S. economy grew at an annual rate of 3.2 percent in the last quarter, the third consecutive quarter in which growth has exceeded 3 percent. Unemployment remains low at 4.1 percent.

With neither a recession nor a major war to run against, Democrats sought instead to cast the election in starkly moral terms. Yet by Election Day, the charge that Mr. Trump is morally or intellectually unfit for office had been made so often that it had lost most of its former edge among swing voters.

“I don’t care if he lies or exaggerates in his tweets or breaks his vows to his wife, so long as he keeps his promises to me,” Leah Rownan, a self-described social conservative from Henderson, Nev., told The Times, citing the economy and Mr. Trump’s Supreme Court nominations as decisive for her vote. “And he has.”

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Many of Mr. Trump’s supporters also said they felt vindicated by the conclusions of Robert Mueller’s report on Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. While the former F.B.I. director painted a damning portrait of a campaign that was riddled with Kremlin sympathizers and a candidate whose real-estate ventures were beholden to Russian investors, no clear evidence of collusion between Mr. Trump and Moscow ever emerged and the president was never indicted.

“It was always a red herring, just like Trump said,” said Bernard Schwartz, a gun store owner from Houston, Tex. “Democrats wasted a lot of ammo on that one.”

Democrats also failed to capitalize on, and may have been damaged by, winning back control of the House of Representatives, but not the Senate, in the 2018 midterms. Mr. Trump proved effective, if characteristically vitriolic, in making a foil of the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi. Efforts to impeach the president mainly served to energize his base. Polling surveys suggested that wavering voters saw a Democratic Party more invested in humiliating the president than in helping them.

As is often the case in losing presidential campaigns, it did not take long for campaign aides to Senator Warren to offer damning appraisals of her performance as a candidate. Historical references abounded: The Children’s Crusade; Pickett’s Charge; the McGovern campaign of 1972. The common thread was that the campaign’s moral fervor repeatedly got the better of its message focus.

“Trump succeeded,” lamented one moderate former Democratic lawmaker who asked to speak on background. “He got my party to lose its marbles.” The lawmaker cited calls by party activists to abolish the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency — calls the Warren campaign did not formally endorse but did little to refute — as emblematic of the party’s broader problems.

“What do Democrats stand for?” he asked. “Lawlessness or liberality? Policymaking or virtue signaling? Gender-neutral pronouns and bathrooms or good jobs and higher wages?”

As is his way, Mr. Trump wasted little time rubbing salt into Democratic wounds. “Democrats used to stand with the Working Man,” he tweeted Wednesday morning. “Now it’s the party of Abortion and Amnesty. All that’s missing is Acid. Sad!”

www.nytimes.com/2018/07/26/opinion/trump-re-election-2020.html

ohmymimi · 28/07/2018 08:10

'Economy Hits a High Note, and Trump Takes a Bow.
Tax cuts and federal spending are adding fuel to the already strong economy, putting the United States on a pace for its best year of growth in well over a decade.'
www.nytimes.com/2018/07/27/business/economy/economy-gdp.html

nypost.com/2018/07/14/americans-are-feeling-better-about-the-economy-under-trump/

borntobequiet · 28/07/2018 08:34

A bit late, but Flowers for you and your memories, Across.

ohmymimi · 28/07/2018 08:34

www.theperspective.com/perspectives/politics/will-trump-get-reelected-2020/
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/which-democrats-could-challenge-donald-trump-in-2020-presidentia/
qz.com/1129587/democrats-can-win-the-white-house-in-2020-by-following-this-campaign-strategy/

So, everything crossed for a blue tsunami 2018/2020.
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ohmymimi · 28/07/2018 09:22

That 'accidental' omission has been corrected; not the video, yet, thoughHmm

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/white-house-transcript-correction/566183/

lionheart · 28/07/2018 11:29

PoliticsVideoChannel

@politvidchannel
16h16 hours ago

BREAKING: Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney just announced He Will terminate the city’s contract with ICE That Allows ICE to access The city database

HE SAID THIS

“I cannot in good conscience allow the agreement to continue,”

ohmymimi · 28/07/2018 12:13

That is a long, long list of signatories to the anti Kav. letter. Prior to his nomination, even if one knew little of his career, the unrestrained sycophancy and bold faced lies in the first lines of his acceptance speech should have raised alarm bells about his moral principles:

'Throughout this process, I have witnessed firsthand your appreciation for the vital role of the American judiciary.

No president has ever consulted more widely or talked with more people from more backgrounds to seek input about a supreme court nomination.'

ohmymimi · 28/07/2018 12:30

This is by far my favourite bloop, the irony of the mistake in that self-congratorilary context is perfect:
e3.365dm.com/18/07/1600x1200/skynews-donald-trump-tweet_4352946.jpg?20180728042929

ohmymimi · 28/07/2018 13:25

self-congratorilary (muphry's law, heavens knows where that came from, ) self-congratulatory

ohmymimi · 28/07/2018 13:28

@kylegriffin1
Patrick Leahy on Brett Kavanaugh docs: "In a stark departure from bipartisan precedent, Senate Republicans are seeking to prevent the Senate from fulfilling its obligation to review the full record of a nominee ... We must ask: What do Senate Republicans so badly want to hide?"
mobile.twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1023005212687122432
@kylegriffin1
Chuck Schumer: "This deliberately selective request leaves out what may be the most important thing in Judge Kavanaugh's record: his time as White House Staff Secretary. What are Republicans hiding in Judge Kavanaugh's record?"
mobile.twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1023012671317270528

ohmymimi · 28/07/2018 13:43

'Help us identify Trump’s unknown golf partners'
'On a handful of occasions, he or the White House or his golf partners have revealed/admitted that he was playing golf. On most occasions, they haven’t — and the question of who joined him for his hours-long foray around the course is a mystery.'
www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/07/27/help-us-identify-trumps-unknown-golf-partners/?utm_term=.5974cf8459a4

ohmymimi · 28/07/2018 15:20

@kylegriffin1
Ken Kurson, a close friend of Jared Kushner’s, withdrew from consideration for a seat on the board of the National Endowment for the Humanities after the FBI started probing harassment allegations against him, NYT reports.
www.nytimes.com/2018/07/26/business/ken-kurson-jared-kushner.html
mobile.twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1023202665763725313