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Has Trump Turned Traitor? Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 17/07/2018 11:24

The Trump-Putin Summit in Helsinki, coming so soon after Trump’s ally-crumbling display in Britain and at the EU, is still sinking in. Let’s just say: he’s in all kinds of shit. All the kompromat.

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ohmymimi · 25/07/2018 09:16

Sorry, here is Alexandria:

PerkingFaintly · 25/07/2018 10:34

Yeah. It wasn't obviously sexual – I don't know if Scaramucci also keeps touching men he's talking to – but it was eww eww eww to watch.

Sleazy slimeball is spot on.

ohmymimi · 25/07/2018 10:51

politiciandirect.com/washington-post/the-trump-michael-cohen-tape-transcript-annotated
Cuomo Prime Time, on the recording with Lanny Davis.

ohmymimi · 25/07/2018 10:52

Link to Cuomo:

ohmymimi · 25/07/2018 11:14

It's hard to believe there isn't an outright revolt right now in Congress.
Hmm Not that hard.

@sahilkapur

Sen. Bob Corker characterizes Trump's farm aid proposal: "You have a terrible policy that sends farmers to the poorhouse, and then you put them on welfare, and we borrow the money from other countries."
"It's hard to believe there isn't an outright revolt right now in Congress."

MURKOWSKI isn't happy Trump wants to "single out" farmers for aid, saying his tariffs threaten Alaska's seafood industry. "What about the manufacturing sector? What about the energy sector? The oil and gas industries?"

"Where do you draw the line? I've got some real concerns."

LANKFORD on Trump’s tariffs and farmer bailout: “Conceptually, I still think it's the wrong direction to go."

"Most of the folks I know in the ag community aren't looking for an additional subsidy. They want their markets back open.”

RON JOHNSON doesn’t like Trump’s tariff-and-farm-subsidy plan: “My thoughts are the thoughts of farmers. They want trade, not aid. It's really just that simple.”
mobile.twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1021833066610941952

ohmymimi · 25/07/2018 11:16

@SethAbramson

(THREAD) TEN REASONS THE FIRST COHEN TAPE IS MUCH WORSE THAN ANYONE YET REALIZES. Early coverage of this bombshell exclusive on CNN has missed almost the entirety of this story, which could shape Trump's presidency. Read on for more. And I hope you'll share this with others, to
mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1021955814611922944

lionheart · 25/07/2018 11:40

Renato Mariotti

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@renato_mariotti
7h7 hours ago

'Alan Dershowitz said that he’s had conversations like this—about making large secret payments in cash—with clients “dozens of times.” What kind of lawyer is Dershowitz? Reputable lawyers don’t have conversations like that.'

lionheart · 25/07/2018 11:43

Pro-Trump until the tariffs hit.

Maggie Jordan:

@MaggieJordanACN

'Whirlpool posted their worst day in over 30 yrs as execs blamed rising steel & aluminum costs for diminished earnings.
"Global steel cost has risen substantially &, particularly in the US, they have reached unexplainable levels”
Whirlpool stock fell 14.5% worst day since 10-19-87.'

lionheart · 25/07/2018 11:46

Maddow Blog

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'White House edits video to remove question about whether Putin wanted Trump to win.'

lionheart · 25/07/2018 11:55

The Abramson is interesting.

This is quite comforting in a way:

www.lawfareblog.com/reading-between-lines-house-efforts-impeach-rod-rosenstein

lionheart · 25/07/2018 11:57
Smile

Stephen Colbert

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@StephenAtHome
8h8 hours ago

TIRED: The emperor has no clothes.

WIRED: The emperor’s daughter had to shut down her clothing line due to poor sales, and she is complicit in the emperor’s racist policies.

lionheart · 25/07/2018 13:42

Trumpy and Cohen are gradually parting company.

Donald J. Trump

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@realDonaldTrump
6m6 minutes ago

'What kind of a lawyer would tape a client? So sad! Is this a first, never heard of it before? Why was the tape so abruptly terminated (cut) while I was presumably saying positive things? I hear there are other clients and many reporters that are taped - can this be so? Too bad!'

ohmymimi · 25/07/2018 14:05

can this be so Très élégante turn of phrase, Oafy Grin
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I remember O'Brien's Bloomberg piece. Maybe Mueller already had Weisselberg in his sights. Another keeper of secrets could also be in the cross hairs, Jason Greenblatt (the executive vice president and chief legal officer to Trump and The Trump Org. and his advisor on Israel. Appointed as an Assistant to the President and Special Representative for International Negotiations by El Pres Jan. 17).

@TimOBrien
Weisselberg worked as Fred Trump’s accountant and has been Donald Trump’s CFO for years.. He knows more about the Trump Organization’s finances than almost anyone. If he’s now exposed to investigators, this all moves into the heart of Trump’s business dealings.

@TimOBrien
On the Trump/Cohen tapes that @CNN published tonight, Allen Weisselberg, the CFO of the Trump Org, is referred to by Cohen - who says Weisselberg was aware of LLCs being used to funnel payments. Reupping my May column on why Weisselberg matters: (link: www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-04-16/cohen-isn-t-the-biggest-catch-from-trump-world) bloomberg.com/view/articles/…

mobile.twitter.com/TimOBrien/status/1021937907131662336

ohmymimi · 25/07/2018 14:12

Yes, it is revealing/confirming:
Matthew Miller
@matthewamiller
Sometimes a story isn't about the thing it says it's about. This is very well-done.
mobile.twitter.com/matthewamiller/status/1021928144045920256

ohmymimi · 25/07/2018 14:18

A tale of our times:
www.gq.com/story/spy-or-uber-driver/amp?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 25/07/2018 14:21

@HallieJackson
Trump Org atty Alan Futerfas on the "cash" comment: "It’s like when you’re buying a house, and a person says - are you going to get financing, or are you paying cash? It’s identical context - no one expects or understands you’re showing up to the closing with green currency.”
mobile.twitter.com/HallieJackson/status/1021940739784298496

ohmymimi · 25/07/2018 14:31

How will Sneerah deal with this (and the phone call readouts) at the next presser? Lie, deflect, ignore, all three?
Kasie Hunt
@kasie
Note the White House is behaving like the Kremlin in releasing doctored versions of real events
@MollyMcKew
As comparatives, here are Vox, Kremlin, and WH transcripts.

Vox is unaltered. Kremlin omits whole exchange. WH omits question.

To be clear:
"Did you want Trump to win elex & did you direct your officials to help him?"
"Yes I did. Yes I did."

mobile.twitter.com/kasie/status/1022109054712336384

Joe Scarborough
@JoeNBC
Trump adopts Putin’s foreign policy, Stalin’s 5-year plans and now Pravda’s nasty habit of erasing uncomfortable facts from history. The White House censored from their transcript Putin’s admission that he wanted Trump to win. They also erased the video answer. #BackInTheUSSR
mobile.twitter.com/JoeNBC/status/1022097736559157248

ohmymimi · 25/07/2018 17:09

@alanbeattie
This offer is exceedingly unlikely to have any substance behind it. 1/n
FT view: (link: www.ft.com/content/45333adc-8f29-11e8-bb8f-a6a2f7bca546) ft.com/content/45333a…

@realDonaldTrump
The European Union is coming to Washington tomorrow to negotiate a deal on Trade. I have an idea for them. Both the U.S. and the E.U. drop all Tariffs, Barriers and Subsidies! That would finally be called Free Market and Fair Trade! Hope they do it, we are ready - but they won’t!

@alanbeattie
And while tariff cuts are hard enough, they can at least be restrained to bilateral application via an FTA. Cuts in general ag subsidies would hurt US farmers competing with much more efficient farmers than Europe's around the world - Brazilian, Oz, etc. Total non-starter. 2/2

(Apologies, should have been 2/n). This isn't confined to Trump. US made a similarly implausible "zero-for-zero" offer to the EU during the Doha round in 2005, taken seriously by almost no-one. (link: www.ft.com/content/270ed5c0-2484-11da-a5d0-00000e2511c8) ft.com/content/270ed5… 3/n

US looks for means to ease farmers’ worries
ft.com

At the time I recall comparing the offer to a penguin challenging a walrus to fly and promising to follow suit. Penguins at least have wings, so they superficially look as if they are closer to being able to fly, but they still can't. 4/n

The only even remotely possible thing here is if Trump is persuaded to drop tariffs in return for starting talks, he then loses interest and moves on to something else, and the talks dribble on endlessly. Still massively unlikely. 5/5

mobile.twitter.com/alanbeattie/status/1022092194121961472

ohmymimi · 25/07/2018 17:22

She had that little clutch of stats ready to drop, didn't she? Not much sign the Melbot spends time actually working on those, ya know, like putting effort in, e.g. like she does on filling her designer wardrobe.
<a class="break-all" href="https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/25/politics/melania-trump-channel/index.html#click=t.co/7hp0eyohsk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/25/politics/melania-trump-channel/index.html#click=t.co/7hp0eyohsk