AIBU to expect a photo from sports day to not be on FB

[KatKit16]

Sooo....today was DD first sports day. I have just returned and had a quick nosy on FB and a fellow Mum from DD years group has posted a photo of her child along with pretty much the rest of the class in (including my DD). AIBU to expect her to seek permission before posting ?
Part of me feels petty if I was to ask her remove it or at least the bit with my DD in and the other part of me is annoyed that I haven’t consented. I wouldn’t post pictures of other people’s children unless I had agreement. Thoughts please anyone....

If the school hasn't explicitly asked parents not to take photos, she's not really done anything wrong.
You wouldn't be unreasonable to ask her to delete it. Whilst our school allows photos, i'd delete if asked to.

A school can 'say' anything they want but can't enforce anything. The photo belongs to the photographer and are hers to do with as she pleases.

Then the school will simply stop people taking photos or will refuse entry to parents who do.

YANBU, OP - for the reasons above re witness protection, fleeing DV, opposed adoption etc.

Someone I know did this with my DC's sports day, and they've just finished training to be a teacher! (I always suspected they were a bit of a dafty.)

@TeenTimesTwo yes, even in those circumstances. All they can do is ban photos.

I'd be annoyed OP. I'm be recently deleted my Facebook profile (and feel much better for having got off it), and I've always kept photos of DS (9 months) off of it. If I found out someone else had posted pictures of him online without asking me I'd be pretty miffed and think it's disrespectful.

I've also been to DD1s first sports day (well, sports 45 minutes...) and although I've taken photos as it was a minor miracle that DD participated at all but I won't be posting them online as there are lots of other children in them. I never post pictures of other people's kids (even family) on Facebook unless they are aware and happy.

Our school previously allowed photos to be taken at school events (assemblies, sports days and family time) with the request that they were for personal use and not shared on social media. Well thanks to too many parents disregarding the request they have now introduced a blanket ban on any photos been taken at school events.
Any photos I shared were only of my child and all others were cropped out.

A school can 'say' anything they want but can't enforce anything. The photo belongs to the photographer and are hers to do with as she pleases.

Almost.
They can make it a condition of entry that no photos are taken on their property.
If you take the photo, you own the copyright, but you are not entirely free to do what you like with it. Using it for commercial gain or some sinister use could still land you in hot water. A model release form would normally be required for this purpose, depending on how incidental the child (or indeed any person) was and how it portrayed the people in the photo.

YNBU

I never posted pictures of my dd online, because I wanted to protect her privacy. I would never have posted pictures of other people's children, because I wouldn't feel that it was my decision to make.

I get fed up of people who constantly post pictures of their own children and don't stop to think that other people might choose to do things differently.

I wouldn't get worked up about it, unless I was the parent of a child in witness protection, forced adoption etc.

I work in tech and sometimes feel that our massive worry of our/our children's photos being online is a bit misdirected considering the other actionable data most companies have on us. (think supermarket loyalty cards, insurance companies selling details, social media selling data) etc.

You can click on the FB photo and report it. There is an option allowing you to give feedback and inform FB that the photo is of your child and that you have not given permission for the picture to be published. I have had to do this several times due to relatives posting pictures of my children publicly and adding a lot of private information at a time when I was being stalked. FB took the pictures down within a few hours.

poop As an adopter, I have been grateful on a couple of occasions when another parent has flagged to me a photo infringement and had already got the offending parent to take the picture down. I don't use FB so wouldn't see the picture myself.

With image recognition software now being more easily available people posting pictures of vulnerable children giving away their location and school is a real concern.

Parents who post pictures of other children at school events without permission are selfish and if I ruled the world would be banned from school premises for a year.

What's the actual problem? Do you have a serious issue with the photo being on her fb page? Or are you annoyed because of the principle of it, because you consider she should have asked first? Your post comes across as the latter, which is petty.

YANBU, OP. I would call or email the other mother to ask her to remove the photo.

anon I understand about cases such as adoption/fostering/dv etc.

But I'm not talking about those cases, just about other parents who just worry about their kids being in the background of photos. I'm just pointing out that there are worse things that we should be worried about if we are serious about protecting our privacy.

What do you think will happen if your dd's photo is on FB?

But if everyone gets into a habit of not posting pictures of other people’s cjildren without consent then you know your not adding to risk for children, or pissing off parents who have made the choice not to put pictures online.

Nobody needs to post a picture of someone else’s child!

YANBU. It's fine to post a picture of your child. It's fine to post a picture of someone else's child if they or the child (13+) say it's ok.

Imo it's absolutely not fine to publish on social media a picture of a group of children if you don't have specific consent for each child.

I had someone like this at my kids old school, people were always told not to post on social media but she always did, Even having them totally open on her fb so anyone could see.

Is your DD on social media? If the answer is yes I'll say nothing.
If she isn't then you can ask to remove it. I was asked once and I removed the video immediately.

You do NOT need a model release form unless you will gain commercially from another persons image- anyone else incidental to the image (background) you take doesn’t apply.

I agree with vulnerable children/looked after children it should be stressed but the school cannot force someone to take down an image.

It’s not against any laws, inconsiderate yes. Illegal no. I hear that said a lot by ignorant people. You can take photos of whom ever you like- it’s what you then do with the image that is the key point of contention. There’s protection with certain secure physical locations.

As a general principle, publication for commercial purposes will require that the individual sign a model release letter, whereas publication for artistic or editorial/non commercial purposes will often not require it.

I always ask NOT to be tagged in any FB photos of myself and my DC

It doesn't matter if the images are of children providing they are not of a sexual nature obviously.
If they are taken from public land onto a private property then the situation becomes a little more complex.
Much depends on the reasonable expectation of privacy. it would be reasonable to expect privacy in a classroom, so photographing from outside through a window would almost certainly fall foul of that. Photographing them on private property in an open and clearly visible space but not fall foul because there was

Because there was no reasonable expectation of privacy

For those that queried my annoyance, granted the repercussions are more than likely zilch. I absolutely get that we can get too overprotective but I also agree with the others that raised very valid points about safeguarding and permission etc. I was concerned that one of the reasons I was irked was because there seemed to be a lack of courtesy around sharing the image and therefore instead of pursuing through the school will speak to the Mum direct. The Mum in question is a prolific fb poster (up to 10 times per day - yes I have counted & yes I need to get a life lol) and explain that the children's parents may not want the image (and video) shared with around 700 of her 'friends'. Hopefully she'll agree and perhaps remove the media. 🤔

The long and short of it is that people should try to be mindful of other people's privacy and the protection of children. that doesn't mean photographing children is a particularly bad thing but it could compromise their safety especially if posted on social media.
People are also compromising their own children's privacy when they post pictures of their children on social media. By the time they reach adulthood a great deal about their identities may already be known thanks to parents and family not having a full grasp of the consequences